Welcome Justin Kier

[Jack Strop]

It's not the number of games he played in (he's under the 30% threshold either way), it's the last game he played in, La Salle, which is either the 16th game of 32 or the 17th game of 33. If it's the later, he's one game over the halfway mark of the season.

More from The NCAA Manual:

17.3.5 Number of Contests...

17.3.5.3 Annual Exemptions. The following basketball contests each year may be exempted from a member institution’s maximum number of contests:

(g) Exhibition Against a Non-NCAA Division I Four-Year Collegiate Institution. An exhibition contest against a four-year collegiate institution (other than an NCAA Division I institution) played in the arena in which the member institution regularly plays its home contests. An institution may exempt two such contests during any year in which it does not use the exemption set forth in Bylaw 17.3.5.3-(h), or it may exempt one such contest and one practice scrimmage as defined in Bylaw 17.3.5.3-(h) each year

(h) Practice Scrimmage. An informal practice scrimmage with outside competition, provided it is con- ducted in privacy and without publicity or official scoring. Individuals other than athletics department staff members and those necessary to conduct a basketball practice scrimmage against outside not be present during such a scrimmage. The institution shall ensure that the scrimmage is free from public view. No class time shall be missed by basketball student-athletes in conjunction with such a scrimmage, including all associated activities (e.g., travel, pregame and postgame activities). An institution may exempt two such practice scrimmages during any year in which it does not use the exemption set forth in Bylaw 17.3.5.3-(g), or it may exempt one such practice scrimmage and one exhibition contest against a non-NCAA Division I four-year collegiate institution each year.​

Gadzoooks! Now we're counting scrimmages!!!

 

[Jack Strop]

Get ready for a CIT/CBI what ever the a10 plays in. I understand all the history. But this is different.

Nope. No soap...

Post-season games, other than one game counted from the conference tournament, are not included in the official count:

17.3.1 Length of Playing Season. The length of an institution’s playing season in basketball shall be limited to the period of time between the start of preseason practice (see Bylaw 17.3.2) and the end of the regular playing season (see Bylaw 17.3.4). (See Bylaw 17.3.3 for restrictions on first contest date.)

 

[Mason32]

Get ready for a CIT/CBI what ever the a10 plays in. I understand all the history. But this is different.

CBI canceled https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/1237780933882847234

 

[PoorManProfit]

CBI canceled https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/1237780933882847234

Does this mean we won't have to read about the moronic homer "fans" on here debate whether G Mas should play in this tourney because they just want to see more Patriot basketball?

 

[GMUgemini]

CBI canceled https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/1237780933882847234

It's a pretty meaningless tournament and considering how they make their money, it makes sense.

 

[Herndon]

Nope. No soap...

Post-season games, other than one game counted from the conference tournament, are not included in the official count:

17.3.1 Length of Playing Season. The length of an institution’s playing season in basketball shall be limited to the period of time between the start of preseason practice (see Bylaw 17.3.2) and the end of the regular playing season (see Bylaw 17.3.4). (See Bylaw 17.3.3 for restrictions on first contest date.)

So wait, does this mean he is or is not eligible for the extra year?

 

[gmubrian]

So wait, does this mean he is or is not eligible for the extra year?

Geez Herndon, you just opened up another can of worms when it seemed to have finally settled down. Cue 37 different interpretations now...

 

[Jack Strop]

So wait, does this mean he is or is not eligible for the extra year?

The question that needs to be aswered is how many pre-season scrimmages did Mason play?

If Mason played only one scrimmage then that and the exhibition game are exempt against their season's contest total and Justin is eligible for a Medical Hardship Waiver. Only two such contests (one exhibition plus one scrimmage, or two scrimmages) can be exempt from the official number of contests played. If Mason played two or more scrimmages then the season contest total is greater than 32 and Justin would fail to qualify for a medical redshirt.

Go back and read the analysis if you're confused. Believe me, the NCAA medical redshirt regulations are brutally nutso!

 

[ephoops]

IIRC, Mason played one scrimmage this year.

 

[Jack Strop]

Looking back in the forum topics and a search of the word "scrimmage" I found one mention of playing an external team – Towson.

The summation of Justin Kier's eligibility to obtain a Medical Hardship Waiver is as follows:

1. Mason officially played 32 games (contests) – 27 regular season games, one four-game tournament, and one conference tournament (one exhibition and one scrimmage played, both exempted as allowed)
   
2. Justin played in 9 games or 28.125%, less than the maximum of 30%, as required
   
3. Justin's last game was #16 at LaSalle, thus not crossing the season's midpoint, as required

As I see it, Justin Kier is eligible to obtain a MHW if he, Coach Dave, and the AD want him to return next season. Barring any refuting evidence, that's my word and I'm sticking to it.

As far as NCAA scrutiny, scholarships, transfers, walk-ons, room for everyone else, etc. are concerned,
it's all debateable.

 

[Pablo]

Looking back in the forum topics and a search of the word "scrimmage" I found one mention of playing an external team – Towson.

The summation of Justin Kier's eligibility to obtain a Medical Hardship Waiver is as follows:

1. Mason officially played 32 games (contests)
   
2. Justin played in 9 games or 28.125%, less than the maximum of 30% as required
   
3. Justin's last game was #16 at LaSalle, thus not crossing the season's midpoint as required

As I see it, Justin Kier is eligible to obtain a MHW if he, Coach Dave, and the AD want him to return next season. Barring any refuting evidence, that's my word and I'm sticking to it.

As far as scholarships, transfers, walk-ons, room for everyone else, etc., that's debateable.

IMO, the issue is whether Kier desires a waiver for a medical hardship. If so, then Mason needs to promptly submit the required documentation to the A10 irrespective of Mason's scholarship situation.

 

[ephoops]

Given the tournament cancellations and the growing groundswell of giving seniors another year of eligibility, my guess is that the NCAA will accommodate reasonable requests for a student athlete seeking a medical hardship.

Kier's potential request for a medical hardship certainly appears reasonable.

 

[Jack Strop]

Interesting comment in the news article regarding Ian Boyd's return from GoMason.com:

"Boyd, known for his timely shots, hustle plays and superior effort on the court, will complement a talented group of returners for head coach Dave Paulsen, including all five starters from last season." ​

Do those "starters" include Justin Kier?

 

[Pablo]

Interesting comment in the news article regarding Ian Boyd's return from GoMason.com:

"Boyd, known for his timely shots, hustle plays and superior effort on the court, will complement a talented group of returners for head coach Dave Paulsen, including all five starters from last season." ​

Do those "starters" include Justin Kier?

Justin was tied with Mar for 8th in games started (2) this season.

 

[mkaufman1]

Interesting comment in the news article regarding Ian Boyd's return from GoMason.com:

"Boyd, known for his timely shots, hustle plays and superior effort on the court, will complement a talented group of returners for head coach Dave Paulsen, including all five starters from last season." ​

Do those "starters" include Justin Kier?

I doubt they were referring to Kier as a starter, but if they were and Kier somehow finds his way back, awesome!

 

[Jack Strop]

I doubt they were referring to Kier as a starter, but if they were and Kier somehow finds his way back, awesome!

Yep, it's a relative statement that, for now, can be grasped and tightly held close to the heart like a lucky rabbit's foot. Please, oh please, oh please, oh p l e a s e...

 

[psyclone]

Yep, it's a relative statement that, for now, can be grasped and tightly held close to the heart like a lucky rabbit's foot. Please, oh please, oh please, oh p l e a s e...

Fingers crossed!

 

[Mason2005]

Kier gets one more season but wants out of Mason

 

[FreeGunston12]

Kier gets one more season but wants out of Mason

Is also "not ruling out returning to Fairfax". Keep hope alive!

 

[tblack33]

I’ll be really interested to see where he goes. My hot take is that Mason is the best opportunity for him, if he goes to a P5 it’s going to be on a team that’s in the lower half of its conference and he won’t get the minutes he’d get here. Look forward to seeing this unfold and hearing about everyone’s sources who know exactly what’s going on always.