Welcome Justin Kier

[Leesburg Chankenstank III]

I would think if the staff and Edwards are doubtful...then that tells you all you need to know.

The numbers are on Kier's side so if BE has doubts, that means either

a.) They are trying to push Kier to move on to make roster space
b.) Kier needs to turn pro and start earning money ASAP because of his personal situation
c.) All of the above

Eligibility by the numbers should not be an issue according to Pablo's break down.

 

[KAOriginal]

The numbers are on Kier's side so if BE has doubts, that means either

a.) They are trying to push Kier to move on to make roster space
b.) Kier needs to turn pro and start earning money ASAP because of his personal situation
c.) All of the above

Eligibility by the numbers should not be an issue according to Pablo's break down.

Well, the next time I appear in court, I'll skip my attorney and go with message board decision members to interpret the law and tell the judge to go screw himself.

But in the end...the issue is more likely one of the three above options you mentioned...

 

[Pablo]

Well, the next time I appear in court, I'll skip my attorney and go with message board decision members to interpret the law and tell the judge to go screw himself.

To be clear, I'm only stating the facts and giving my opinion. Inasmuch as every A10 school is assured one A10 tourney game in men's basketball, it seems logical to me that one tourney game would count as a regularly scheduled game.

I'm not speculating on whether the NCAA will agree.

 

[GMUgemini]

To be clear, I'm only stating the facts and giving my opinion. Inasmuch as every A10 school is assured one A10 tourney game in men's basketball, it seems logical to me that one tourney game would count as a regularly scheduled game.

I'm not speculating on whether the NCAA will agree.

Yes, the interpretation part is the language which states a season includes everything (outside of exhibitions and scrimmages) up to the NCAA championship.

 

[KAOriginal]

Lol. Its all good...just being snarky at work.

Heres what I see...post season doesnt count. The example they used was football and it didnt mention bowl games or playoffs. Just an 11 game schedule even though we k ownthere games later in that a team may or not be playing in.

To keep it "fair" among all teams...bottom 4 left out, no conference tournament, etc...I'm willing to bet...its only regular season...of 32 games.

 

[PoorManProfit]

I would think if the staff and Edwards are doubtful...then that tells you all you need to know.

Knowing how moronic the AD office and the program is, they probably haven't even pursued it.

 

[gmujim92]

Lol. Its all good...just being snarky at work.

Heres what I see...post season doesnt count. The example they used was football and it didnt mention bowl games or playoffs. Just an 11 game schedule even though we k ownthere games later in that a team may or not be playing in.

To keep it "fair" among all teams...bottom 4 left out, no conference tournament, etc...I'm willing to bet...its only regular season...of 32 games.

From what I just heard, the exhibition counts toward our game total, which means La Salle was the 17th game. Also the A-10 tournament only counts for 1 game no matter how many we win, which means we play a maximum of 32.

He’s one over. That’s why the staff is pessimistic about getting the waiver. F*ck.

 

[Pablo]

From what I just heard, the exhibition counts toward our game total, which means La Salle was the 17th game. Also the A-10 tournament only counts for 1 game no matter how many we win, which means we play a maximum of 32.

He’s one over. That’s why the staff is pessimistic about getting the waiver. F*ck.

https://msu.edu/~msuncaa/Medical Hardship Waivers.pdf:

"Only scheduled or completed competition (including exempted events but excluding scrimmages and exhibition contests identified as such in the legislation)"

 

[GMUgemini]

I think the expectation needs to be that he doesn't come back, so if he does it'll be a nice surprise.

I feel the same way about Boyd.

 

[Pablo]

I think the expectation needs to be that he doesn't come back, so if he does it'll be a nice surprise.

I think the AD needs to be transparent. If the AD says it's seeking a waiver for a medical hardship, then submit the request.

 

[gmujim92]

I think the AD needs to be transparent. If the AD says it's seeking a waiver for a medical hardship, then submit the request to the NCAA.

I would imagine they have to wait until the season is officially over to make the request.

 

[Petey Buckets]

I would imagine they have to wait until the season is officially over to make the request.

Yes, don't expect anything from the AD until after the season. Redshirts are applied for and approved in the offseason.

Mason doesn't announce guys are redshirting because there's no upside. It's meaningless in season anyway and you just look dumb if circumstances change and you have to pull the redshirt off (like we did with Jordan Miller). In most cases, like with Dady, the writing is on the wall and there's no real need to announce anything.

 

[GMUgemini]

I think the AD needs to be transparent. If the AD says it's seeking a waiver for a medical hardship, then submit the request to the NCAA.

I would like that to happen, definitely. But with Kier it's up to the NCAA and with both it's also up to having scholarships open up.

 

[Jack Strop]

From what I just heard, the exhibition counts toward our game total, which means La Salle was the 17th game. Also the A-10 tournament only counts for 1 game no matter how many we win, which means we play a maximum of 32.

He’s one over. That’s why the staff is pessimistic about getting the waiver. F*ck.

From my original explanation, if the season is 32 games, and Justin played in 10 of them then he is ineligible for a MRS [10 ÷ 32 = 31.25% games played]. The limit is 30%. Good luck, Justin!!

 

[tblack33]

Yes, don't expect anything from the AD until after the season. Redshirts are applied for and approved in the offseason.

Mason doesn't announce guys are redshirting because there's no upside. It's meaningless in season anyway and you just look dumb if circumstances change and you have to pull the redshirt off anyway (like we did with Jordan Miller). In most cases, like with Dady, the writing is on the wall and there's no need to announce anything anyway.

Also, don’t think it would send a good message to the guys on the team and next seasons incoming recruits as no one has officially entered the transfer portal and we are out of scholarships unless someone does. I’m usually on team more transparency from our AD but in this case I see the value in keeping this close hold until some things get more clear. Not a ton to gain by announcing anything at this point.

 

[FreeGunston12]

From my original explanation, if the season is 32 games, and Justin played in 10 of them then he is ineligible for a MRS [10 ÷ 32 = 31.25% games played]. The limit is 30%. Good luck, Justin!!

Except, I'm seeing that he only played in 9 according to ESPN stats. 9/32 < 30%. Unless ESPN is wrong.

So the exhibition game counting would be important.

Edit: I think you counted the UMBC game, which Kier did not play in.

 

[Pablo]

He played in 9 games.

 

[Pablo]

I would like that to happen, definitely. But with Kier it's up to the NCAA and with both it's also up to having scholarships open up.

If Kier wants to apply for a waiver for a medical hardship, then Mason should accommodate him after the season regardless of the scholarship situation.

https://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/17/how-get-medical-redshirt.htm:

"Medical Hardship Requirements
To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

• The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
• The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
• The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
• The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.

This documentation is normally pulled together by the compliance office and training room. Some conferences require the athlete to submit a statement or letter as part of the request. There are cases where athletes need to take a more active role though. Most common are when an athlete transfers before getting the waiver or when an athlete received a second opinion on an injury."

"Take Care of Business Quickly on Your End
If you do need to complete a task to help prepare your medical hardship waiver, make it a priority. Some conferences have time limits on when waivers can be submitted, plus delays will add to your stress. This is especially important for athletes nearing the end of their eligibility."

 

[Pablo]

Yes, don't expect anything from the AD until after the season. Redshirts are applied for and approved in the offseason.

Mason doesn't announce guys are redshirting because there's no upside. It's meaningless in season anyway and you just look dumb if circumstances change and you have to pull the redshirt off (like we did with Jordan Miller). In most cases, like with Dady, the writing is on the wall and there's no real need to announce anything.

Hasn't Coach Paulsen already discussed this at a presser?

 

[Jack Strop]

I think you counted the UMBC game, which Kier did not play in.

He played in 9 games.

You are correct, thank you. I simply counted the games between the time Kier returned and was re-injured.

Did that change the "less than 30% games played requirement": [9÷31 = 29.03% games played] or [9 ÷ 32 = 28.125]? Yep, according to our collective research, it does!

For a 31 or a 32 game season (not including the exhibition game), Justin meets the above requirement. He also meets the requirement that he not have played past the mid-point of the season: last game played was #16 of a 32 game season (if in fact the A10 Tourney game(s) count as one game). However, if the criteria is regular season only, that is, 31 games, then Justin is over the mid-point limit by one game.

OK, Pablo stated his finding that exhibition games do not count and GMUJim says that the A10 Tourney counts as one game played no matter how far Mason should advance. Will someone verify those statements just to be certain? The magic number is now a 32-game season.