OT - Mason Gets $5 million Gift to School of Economics

[Pikapppatri8]

And there it is, have been monitoring this thread wondering when this would be said. smh

What’s wrong with the statement “Concur?”

I basically said I agreed with his point?


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[GMUSig03]

To have been more clear, I should have quoted Walter's post. But what's wrong is the idea that some slaves are better off for having been slaves.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=argument that slaves are better off

 

[Pikapppatri8]

To have been more clear, I should have quoted Walter's post. But what's wrong is the idea that some slaves are better off for having been slaves.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=argument that slaves are better off

I think you misread his point. He did say and we all agree something like slavery is a moral wrong. A wrong practiced by every culture and race (it wasn’t just a white thing)

However that does not ignore the fact that some who were slaves benefitted in the long run. Even Mohammed Ali said the same thing after he came back from his first sojourn into Africa while boxing. Many of the Africans slaves who were sold to European settlers of the Americas were prisoners of tribal wars in Africa and faced death or servitude in Africa. So their long term prospects weren’t good to begin with.

I think it would be more accurate to say that the future generations of slave were better off on that they got to grow up in the US as opposed to Africa. The grand and great gran kids were more likely better off than the original slaves.






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[Walter]

To have been more clear, I should have quoted Walter's post. But what's wrong is the idea that some slaves are better off for having been slaves.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=argument that slaves are better off

No one said that.

 

[GMUSig03]

No one said that.

"acknowledging that some have benefitted"

"I concur"

To clarify, I'm not trying to imply that either of you are pro slavery, think slavery is a good thing, or are racist.

I just think your comments lack a certain level of awareness, especially coming from two conservative white guys. The entire continent of Africa has literally been raped, pillaged and plundered for centuries and to credit colonialism with certain improvements and to say, well at least their descendants are no longer stuck in Africa is... I can't even find the words.

I know people who have traveled to and made documentaries in Africa and to imply that people are better off for having been "saved" from there is atrocious and I know for a fact insulting.

Rather than us debating and going back and forth on a college basketball message board, just ask yourself why I, and many others, may have that reaction to your comments and do some research from sources you may not normally consider to try to answer the question.

GO MASON AND f**k VILLANOVA FOR COSTING ME OVER $500!

 

[Walter]

"acknowledging that some have benefitted"

Dr. Williams said that he benefitted. Which is different than saying that a slave was better off being a slave.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

You guys really want to blow Joe Shannon's liberally enlightened mind, ask him how London's murder rate could have possibly eclipsed NYC's for the first time ever with all that gun control over there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-time-including-11-killings-just-16-days.html

Robbery and rape up too, significantly. It's the "progressive" future we're all headed for when we put our fates in the hands of the enlightened ones.

ACW was a little liberal dude too. He didn't believe in guns. And look at what happened to him.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

ACW was a little liberal dude too. He didn't believe in guns. And look at what happened to him.

He was raped.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

He was raped.

That's right, handsome. I tried to stop it...I knew 99 was hanging out at the Vienna Metro, waiting...waiting. But I was too late.

If only the adorable little youngster hadn't put his fate in the hands of the federal government to somehow protect him from 99's unbridled lust.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

That's right, handsome. I tried to stop it...I knew 99 was hanging out at the Vienna Metro, waiting...waiting. But I was too late.

If only the adorable little youngster hadn't put his fate in the hands of the federal government to somehow protect him from 99's unbridled lust.

He could have bought a gun.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

He could have bought a gun.

Right again. The second amendment was written up specifically for scrawny dudes of low testosterone. I find it ironic that the males with the lowest testosterone levels, liberals, would be the ones that would suffer the most with gun restrictions.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

Right again. The second amendment was written up specifically for scrawny dudes of low testosterone. I find it ironic that the males with the lowest testosterone levels, liberals, would be the ones that would suffer the most with gun restrictions.

Your wisdom is a beacon to us all. Happy Easter big guy. Let us pray for all the atheist liberals destined for the fiery pits of hell.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

Your wisdom is a beacon to us all. Happy Easter big guy. Let us pray for all the atheist liberals destined for the fiery pits of hell.

I will continue to pray for them. Happy Easter to you as well, sir.

 

[Pikapppatri8]

"acknowledging that some have benefitted"

"I concur"

To clarify, I'm not trying to imply that either of you are pro slavery, think slavery is a good thing, or are racist.

I just think your comments lack a certain level of awareness, especially coming from two conservative white guys. The entire continent of Africa has literally been raped, pillaged and plundered for centuries and to credit colonialism with certain improvements and to say, well at least their descendants are no longer stuck in Africa is... I can't even find the words.

I know people who have traveled to and made documentaries in Africa and to imply that people are better off for having been "saved" from there is atrocious and I know for a fact insulting.

Rather than us debating and going back and forth on a college basketball message board, just ask yourself why I, and many others, may have that reaction to your comments and do some research from sources you may not normally consider to try to answer the question.

GO MASON AND f*ck VILLANOVA FOR COSTING ME OVER $500!

OK there were two different topics - colonialism and slavery.

Colonialism did benefit the population while they were under colonial rule because their society did receive benefits --- and in some cases the benefits outweighed the negative aspects. India is a key example. Also Bermuda.

Slavery is a bit different -- because those who benefited were the descendants not the slaves at the time. But again there were many who said that they were glad they were in the US (as a result of slavery) instead of Africa.

Now to your point about Africa - yes some of it was raped - not All. Egypt, Libya, and Morocco would be exceptions. Others fared far worse. Just because one is white does not mean you cannot make commentary on these issues. I call BS on that. That as a ridiculous argument as saying men cannot comment on abortion.

Sometimes you have to analyze with objective reason and not emotion.

 

[Pikapppatri8]

"acknowledging that some have benefitted"

"I concur"



Rather than us debating and going back and forth on a college basketball message board, just ask yourself why I, and many others, may have that reaction to your comments and do some research from sources you may not normally consider to try to answer the question.

You could follow your own advice too.

 

[Pikapppatri8]

He could have bought a gun.

Now he is locked in a dungeon wearing a leather gimp suit with a ball gag strapped to his mouth and shackled to a “hump” table and rented out for 100 bucks an hour to transient deviants.

 

[phoenix-arizona]

“Sometimes you have to analyze with objective reason and not emotion.“

Us maybe, but probably not those trying to throw off the imperial-colonial yoke back in the day.

Maybe I’m reading into the subtext of the conversation too much, with saying that colonialism benefited more of the population than hurt, but we can’t ever blame these countries for ultimately rejecting colonialism, or wishing ancestors had not been dragged over the Atlantic for the purpose of slave labor, right?

 

[Pikapppatri8]

“Sometimes you have to analyze with objective reason and not emotion.“

Us maybe, but probably not those trying to throw off the imperial-colonial yoke back in the day.

Maybe I’m reading into the subtext of the conversation too much, with saying that colonialism benefited more of the population than hurt, but we can’t ever blame these countries for ultimately rejecting colonialism, or wishing ancestors had not been dragged over the Atlantic for the purpose of slave labor, right?

No one said what you are trying to say we said. I never said that these countries should have not sought independence - hell that is what we did. However, I would argue in our own case that the Anglo-Saxon philosophies that were the intellectual foundation of our independence would not have been there unless we were a British Colony. Hence the American revolution (founded on principles of the Scottish Enlightenment) was superior to the French Revolution.

The only point we made was that colonialism also had positive benefits that is even recognized by those who lived under it or those who inherited that results of recognize.

 

[GMUgemini]

No one said what you are trying to say we said. I never said that these countries should have not sought independence - hell that is what we did. However, I would argue in our own case that the Anglo-Saxon philosophies that were the intellectual foundation of our independence would not have been there unless we were a British Colony. Hence the American revolution (founded on principles of the Scottish Enlightenment) was superior to the French Revolution.

The only point we made was that colonialism also had positive benefits that is even recognized by those who lived under it or those who inherited that results of recognize.

Uh, we were the colonists.


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[Pikapppatri8]

Uh, we were the colonists.


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No we weren't. We were the british colonies ruled by the United Kingdom and Parliament. North America was a largely empty continent that was not a country. Merely a recipient of multiple waves of migrants. Europeans being one of the last (although the Vikings did have settlements in 999).

We revolted against our colonial rulers during the war for independence.