OT: Could just be a chemistry experiment gone horribly wrong...

[GMUgemini]

the other religion of peace.

Amish?

 

[Pikapppatri8]

Amish?

Lutherans

 

[GMUgemini]

Lutherans

Oh, well that explains it.

 

[Walter]

I am thinking he may have been referring to a nonChristian religion, like maybe, Buddhism

 

[Pikapppatri8]

I am thinking he may have been referring to a nonChristian religion, like maybe, Buddhism

That's true - cannot trust Lutherans - they nail list is to doors and drink too much beer.

 

[gmutom]

I am thinking he may have been referring to a nonChristian religion, like maybe, Buddhism

Speaking of such, one of the anchors of the Australian version of The Today Show tried to tell a joke to the Dalai Lama, and, well, you can watch this to see how miserably it failed.

 

[Walter]

I am surprised the Dalai Lama didn't set off his suicide vest right then and there

 

[Patriotsince81]

ALL Religions.

 

[Walter]

ALL Religions.

I know. Followers of all religions are beheading people and setting off bombs in subways all the time. If only there was just one then it would be easier to profile.

 

[phoenix-arizona]

judean people's front?

 

[BandWagon18]

judean people's front?

Pretty sure it was the Peoples' Front of Judea

 

[Pikapppatri8]

I know. Followers of all religions are beheading people and setting off bombs in subways all the time. If only there was just one then it would be easier to profile.

It is just one - but if you speak objective fact abut the one problematic religion you end up on a federal government list. So we have to walk on eggshells ignoring objective facts while we are told about the mythological threat of "islamophobia".

 

[Walter]

It is just one - but if you speak objective fact abut the one problematic religion you end up on a federal government list. So we have to walk on eggshells ignoring objective facts while we are told about the mythological threat of "islamophobia".

But both Bush and Obama told us that Islam means "peace." They also told us that it is "radical Islam" that is the problem. And by "radical Islam" they mean those that actually follow the Quran and the example of "the prophet" Mohammed.

 

[Pikapppatri8]

But both Bush and Obama told us that Islam means "peace." They also told us that it is "radical Islam" that is the problem. And by "radical Islam" they mean those that actually follow the Quran and the example of "the prophet" Mohammed.

I agree - it is the knee jerk self destructive action of western civilization corrupted by the cult of multiculturalism (moral relativism) which has eliminated critical thinking in most people.

It is not a religion of peace - it has historically - been a religion acting as a political ideology that demands submission. For those who don't its conquest, execution or life as a slave or second class citizen. All of the things liberals and progressives have accused of the west is wrapped up neatly and concisely in a bow when it comes to Islamic culture. I laugh after every terrorist attack the first thing Obama or the DOJ or Kerry talk about is the the threat of Islamophobia and the fear felt by Muslims in the west. Fear?? Why don't we look at the fear of the western people who are slaughtered by Islam in every continent????? If that is what you call Islamaphobia then we are all guilty. But the west has done everything it can to bend over backwards to Islam at home and abroad. We have tried very hard to win them over while they have only tried to win. Every sign of weakness results in contempt and hatred from the Muslim world.

I have read the Quran and the Al hadith twice and been to Muslim countries in the Middle East - I understand clearly the threat we are facing.

 

[JimP]

Yeah...except the majority of people killed by ISIS wacks are Muslim. I'll continue to believe that the vast majority of Muslims are good people. "Western people" are a lot less likely to be victims of ISIS. Awful tragedies that they are, if you only watch CNN and especially FOX - the vast majority of attention is given to the attacks in the Brussels and Paris's of the world.

 

[Walter]

Ironic that lefties will get in the face of a Christian who refuses to bake a cake for a gay couple but are silent when Dearborn Muslims do the same. Or Arab gays are thrown off buildings. And yet the lefties support more Muslim refugees. What do they expect, that they will simply drop their anti-LGBT views once they get here?

 

[Pikapppatri8]

Yeah...except the majority of people killed by ISIS wacks are Muslim. I'll continue to believe that the vast majority of Muslims are good people. "Western people" are a lot less likely to be victims of ISIS. Awful tragedies that they are, if you only watch CNN and especially FOX - the vast majority of attention is given to the attacks in the Brussels and Paris's of the world.

OK I will address your two primary points:

1.) Most Muslims are Moderate - I too believe that most are moderate, but that is in spite of the religion they follow. Evidence in both Europe and here in North America and in Asia - moderates tend to be easily turned. But let's really take a hard look at the moderates. They are useless. They are no different than the majority of Germans who were to Nazi's and did not agree with Hitlers racial policies. While most Germans were not Nazis - they had zero impact on preventing their nation's invasion of other countries; the start of WWII and the extermination camps. It is the same today - moderate Muslims are not in the equation as we look at this civilizational conflict. You can quickly look to Dearborn, MI where Muslims - once they became the majority - went from being moderate to harassing and intimidating the non-muslim minority in that city. So in the end - while the majority of the muslims are moderate - I would not change our response or approach to the significant numbers that decide to adhere quite tightly to the words in the Quran and Al Hadith - if it is a choice between my culture and people or theirs - Mine will survive - whether or not the moderate majority of muslims are still around after that - is not my concern.

2.) Western People are Less Likely to Be Victims of Islam - Well that will only hold until more of them bring the fight to Europe and the US. And to be frank - if they want to kill each other - have at it - not my concern or care - what I do care about is the safety and survivability of what is by all objective measures the best cultural foundation for my future and the future of my kids - and that is western civilization rooted in the judeo-christian foundation. What we need to do is stop importing vast numbers of these people when we have no way of vouching them. Fact is muslim culture does not integrate well with western society. If there is any risk to letting these people in - then we should withhold until they straighten out their own shit. We are under no obligation to bring them in or try to understand the psychotic behaviors which seem to be endemic in their society - we have our own shit to deal with.

 

[phoenix-arizona]

The muslim refuges who are trying to escape ISIS aren't a threat.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2015/10/27-syrian-refugees-terrorism-threat-byman

''Concerns about terrorism and the refugees are legitimate, but the fears being voiced are usually exaggerated and the concerns raised often the wrong ones''

Muslims have been coming to the United States and seem to be assimilating much better in the United States than in Europe. Maybe it has to do with the United States not being as homogeneous as Europe.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/0216/Islam-the-American-way

http://www.ibtimes.com/why-do-american-muslims-fare-better-their-french-counterparts-2189449

https://www.manhattan-institute.org...similation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html

http://www.economist.com/news/unite...-better-america-europe-islamic-yet-integrated

''In fact, Muslims are already working with authorities to counter extremism. Information for over40 percent of arrests of attempted terrorists involve tips from the Muslim-American community. In some of those cases, family members reported that suspects were missing overseas, members of the community reported suspicious activities, or friends would call the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) because they saw violent postings on the internet.''

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/24/3763022/trump-blaming-muslims/

 

[gmutom]

Hey, guys, stop me if you've heard this one. The Dalai Lama walks into a pizza shop...

 

[Old Man]

OK I will address your two primary points:

1.) Most Muslims are Moderate - I too believe that most are moderate, but that is in spite of the religion they follow. Evidence in both Europe and here in North America and in Asia - moderates tend to be easily turned. But let's really take a hard look at the moderates. They are useless. They are no different than the majority of Germans who were to Nazi's and did not agree with Hitlers racial policies. While most Germans were not Nazis - they had zero impact on preventing their nation's invasion of other countries; the start of WWII and the extermination camps. It is the same today - moderate Muslims are not in the equation as we look at this civilizational conflict. You can quickly look to Dearborn, MI where Muslims - once they became the majority - went from being moderate to harassing and intimidating the non-muslim minority in that city. So in the end - while the majority of the muslims are moderate - I would not change our response or approach to the significant numbers that decide to adhere quite tightly to the words in the Quran and Al Hadith - if it is a choice between my culture and people or theirs - Mine will survive - whether or not the moderate majority of muslims are still around after that - is not my concern.

2.) Western People are Less Likely to Be Victims of Islam - Well that will only hold until more of them bring the fight to Europe and the US. And to be frank - if they want to kill each other - have at it - not my concern or care - what I do care about is the safety and survivability of what is by all objective measures the best cultural foundation for my future and the future of my kids - and that is western civilization rooted in the judeo-christian foundation. What we need to do is stop importing vast numbers of these people when we have no way of vouching them. Fact is muslim culture does not integrate well with western society. If there is any risk to letting these people in - then we should withhold until they straighten out their own shit. We are under no obligation to bring them in or try to understand the psychotic behaviors which seem to be endemic in their society - we have our own shit to deal with.

Pikap8, this is probably the best statement on these two issues I have ever seen.

I, too, have read parts of the Qur'an and looked at parts of the Hadith (for those that don't know, the Hadith is the book that contains the descriptions of Muhammad's life and what constitutes being a proper Muslim, i.e. the interpretation of the Qur'an) and traveled to every country around the Persian Gulf, except for Iran. Islam, as it is practiced in truly Islamic countries is not compatible with the west. Period. No contest. Now, I don't think every Muslim is out to kill all westerners, or even their own, but I do think that until our unless the 'moderate' Muslims decide that their religion is really a religion of peace (and not submission as the word Islam means), and they become determined to eradicate those that want to force everyone else to submit, there will be madness in the middle east.

It's kind of ironic though that Islam means submission not peace, and the devout Muslims are determined to force everyone to submit to their interpretation of Islam, which can be understood by reading the Hadith. And the only way the moderate can win is through the the very violence they are currently unwilling to pursue against their Muslim brothers in their own defense. That is because they know what the Qur'an teaches, and it isn't moderation.

For those who have read this far, Happy Easter, He is risen.

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