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[FreeGunston12]

The goal of this program was to be the Gonzaga of the East. Be better than vcu.

We have fools on this board thinking this season was a success when we lost to vcu three times and didn't come close to a NCAA birth. Nothing else is acceptable. Paulsen should be on the hot seat. Next year if he does not get us into the tournament, he should be fired!

Ha! Yeah, we should be contending for a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament each year! 30 wins or bust!

Get real. That's not going to happen to any team in the A-10. The league is and will continue to be much more competitive than Gonzaga's.

I'm all for high expectations, but come on. It's year two.

 

[FreeGunston12]

Dream scenario: Mason beats GW in the finals and the "rivalry" actually gets a little bit of meaning.

 

[Mason2005]

I think Mason Lawyer is also DJ3 lol. Stop having a conversation with yourself man.....

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[Vurbel]

He didn't leave us a dumpster fire. He left us Shevon, Moore, Jenkins.... All pretty damn good players. He just didn't have a true Point Guard and didn't know his X's and O's. He didn't know how to manage a game. But he left plenty of good pieces!

Larranaga left a 27 win and preseason top 25 team. Hewitt turned that in to 10 wins. Maybe my definition of dumpster fire is different.


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[Falco]

Lol he won't be your right. But he should be. Good programs don't go three seasons without at least being in the discussion.

Next year we should expect an Nit appearance. And if not Paulsen should have to watch his back the following season. You don't give a coach more then 4 years to prove himself. You know nothing about basketball of you think quality programs will allow a coach to go 4 seasons without dancing

 

[Falco]

Mason should be as good as Dayton and vcu

Dayton made the tourney the past three years in a row. I'm saying Mason should get there in three years and you call me crazy.

vcu has made the tourney the past 7 years but Mason can't make it in three years.

what the hell is wrong with you guys. and all along I ve been saying the program is going in the right direction and I have faith Mason will make it to the tourney again.

 

[EXpatriot13]

You know nothing about basketball of you think quality programs will allow a coach to go 4 seasons without dancing

How do you define a quality program? What George Mason was during Hewitt's tenure, was far removed from being anything close to a quality program. You can't just erase those 4 years and think Paulsen should immediately have us back to the Coach L days, doesn't work like that. Had Paulsen been the hire made post-Coach L, I would back up your argument.

 

[GMUgemini]

Mason should be as good as Dayton and vcu

Dayton made the tourney the past three years in a row. I'm saying Mason should get there in three years and you call me crazy.

vcu has made the tourney the past 7 years but Mason can't make it in three years.

what the hell is wrong with you guys. and all along I ve been saying the program is going in the right direction and I have faith Mason will make it to the tourney again.

Your expectations need to be tempered based upon, a, the history of the program you support and, b, the level of support it gets from the community. We are WAY behind both Dayton and vcu in both metrics.

Even before vcu's Final Four season, they had been to the tournament 9 times, and had been a #2 seed (in 1985). Right now, they are averaging almost double our attendance and are raising about three times as much money per season in donations.

Dayton has been to the NCAA tournament 18 times, the Sweet 16 7, the Elite 8 3, and the Final Four once. They play in a 14,000 seat arena where they consistently average 12,000 a game. They spend over $5 million a year on basketball.

Larranaga is the most successful coach in our program's history and he went to 5 NCAA tournaments in 14 seasons here. Do you know what we got in donations the year we went to the Final Four? It was under $100,000. The most we've ever averaged per game in attendance is 6,800. The most we've ever received in donations is $1.2 million.

You take a look at the other schools who made the leap: Wichita State, Creighton, Butler you will see the same thing: a program with great fan support before, and a history of basketball excellence even before the leap. Gonzaga is the only outlier here and they were lucky to be in a conference where they could dominate everyone for years before St. Mary's finally got good. I don't consider Davidson in this group, because they look more like us than they do these other teams.

Right now, we've got to give Paulsen the space to put the infrastructure in place for sustained success. What Larranaga built here was based solely on his coaching ability. He didn't have the support he needed or deserved either from the university or the community.

 

[EXpatriot13]

Your expectations need to be tempered based upon, a, the history of the program you support and, b, the level of support it gets from the community. We are WAY behind both Dayton and vcu in both metrics.

Even before vcu's Final Four season, they had been to the tournament 9 times, and had been a #2 seed (in 1985). Right now, they are averaging almost double our attendance and are raising about three times as much money per season in donations.

Dayton has been to the NCAA tournament 18 times, the Sweet 16 7, the Elite 8 3, and the Final Four once. They play in a 14,000 seat arena where they consistently average 12,000 a game. They spend over $5 million a year on basketball.

Larranaga is the most successful coach in our program's history and he went to 5 NCAA tournaments in 14 seasons here. Do you know what we got in donations the year we went to the Final Four? It was under $100,000. The most we've ever averaged per game in attendance is 6,800. The most we've ever received in donations is $1.2 million.

You take a look at the other schools who made the leap: Wichita State, Creighton, Butler you will see the same thing: a program with great fan support before, and a history of basketball excellence even before the leap. Gonzaga is the only outlier here and they were lucky to be in a conference where they could dominate everyone for years before St. Mary's finally got good. I don't consider Davidson in this group, because they look more like us than they do these other teams.

Right now, we've got to give Paulsen the space to put the infrastructure in place for sustained success. What Larranaga built here was based solely on his coaching ability. He didn't have the support he needed or deserved either from the university or the community.

1000000000% this. End of discussion.

 

[Falco]

How do you define a quality program? What George Mason was during Hewitt's tenure, was far removed from being anything close to a quality program. You can't just erase those 4 years and think Paulsen should immediately have us back to the Coach L days, doesn't work like that. Had Paulsen been the hire made post-Coach L, I would back up your argument.

I just don't believe a rebuild should take more then 4 years. I think its a full recruiting cycle. I think in year three you see the promise land and year 4 you execute. I don't think my thought process is so far fetch. But what ever.

 

[Pablo]

I just don't believe a rebuild should take more then 4 years. I think its a full recruiting cycle. I think in year three you see the promise land and year 4 you execute. I don't think my thought process is so far fetch. But what ever.

Coach Paulsen received a contract extension after last season, so I'm guessing that he 's being given more time to reach the "promise land".

 

[GMUgemini]

I just don't believe a rebuild should take more then 4 years. I think its a full recruiting cycle. I think in year three you see the promise land and year 4 you execute. I don't think my thought process is so far fetch. But what ever.

Hurley did it in 5 at URI. He made the NIT in year 3, which is entirely possible here, too, but given the deficit we have on the roster and how young our team is still going to be next year, I don't think anything should be expected. Will Wilson and/or Mar be more effective defenders at the 4 next year? Will they give us at least Kier's production on offense at the same time? I don't know. And what about Relvao and/or Temara's development at the 5? Jenkins was huge for us there. Without a competent big, I can't see where you expect us to be on the bubble next year.

If Dixon and/or Abram leave and Paulsen brings in a fifth year transfer or a Juco big who can play right away, all this talk changes (or our current bigs have monster offseasons).

This roster still has a lot of questions.

 

[Falco]

Hurley did it in 5 at URI. He made the NIT in year 3, which is entirely possible here, too, but given the deficit we have on the roster and how young our team is still going to be next year, I don't think anything should be expected. Will Wilson and/or Mar be more effective defenders at the 4 next year? Will they give us at least Kier's production on offense at the same time? I don't know. And what about Relvao and/or Temara's development at the 5? Jenkins was huge for us there. Without a competent big, I can't see where you expect us to be on the bubble next year.

If Dixon and/or Abram leave and Paulsen brings in a fifth year transfer or a Juco big who can play right away, all this talk changes (or our current bigs have monster offseasons).

This roster still has a lot of questions.

You are right, We need a big, but whos job was it to recruit a big. Paulsen recruited 3 bigs, its his responsibility to develop them. They will be in the system for 2-3 years.

 

[Patriot8]

You are right, We need a big, but whos job was it to recruit a big. Paulsen recruited 3 bigs, its his responsibility to develop them. They will be in the system for 2-3 years.

But you have to be fair.. he recruited 2 of those bigs directly after taking over a program that was 9-22 the previous season, having a very limited amount of time to do so. He then went on to recruit Temara after an 11 win campaign. At the very least Paulsen; and the rest of his staff, is now operating from a position of strength. If someone transfers, I am really looking forward to seeing what kind of player the staff can bring in. This is now an attractive destination.

 

[Cedric Dempsey]

The goal of this program was to be the Gonzaga of the East. Be better than vcu.

We have fools on this board thinking this season was a success when we lost to vcu three times and didn't come close to a NCAA birth. Nothing else is acceptable. Paulsen should be on the hot seat. Next year if he does not get us into the tournament, he should be fired!

There are two kinds of fools: those who can't change their opinions and those who won't. You fit both categories.

 

[gmujim92]

There are two kinds of fools: those who can't change their opinions and those who won't. You fit both categories.

Calling this particular poster a "fool" is simultaneously too kind to the poster and insulting to fools everywhere.

 

[Mason Addict]

The goal of this program was to be the Gonzaga of the East. Be better than vcu.

We have fools on this board thinking this season was a success when we lost to vcu three times and didn't come close to a NCAA birth. Nothing else is acceptable. Paulsen should be on the hot seat. Next year if he does not get us into the tournament, he should be fired!

Be the Gonzaga of the East? Be better than vcu?

These were reasonable goals in the few years after the Final Four. But where the hell have you been hibernating since 2011? Most of us have dealt with the reality and moved on but obviously you need more time than most of us. I feel sorry for you bro...

 

[gmujim92]

I just don't believe a rebuild should take more then 4 years. I think its a full recruiting cycle. I think in year three you see the promise land and year 4 you execute. I don't think my thought process is so far fetch. But what ever.

With all due respect, why should Mason or anybody here give a flying f*ck about the opinion of somebody who only cares enough to come to a couple games every season?

 

[Pablo]

With all due respect, why should Mason or anybody here give a flying f*ck about the opinion of somebody who only cares enough to come to a couple games every season?

But, in fairness to DJ3, he may have attended more games this season than "mason lawyer".

 

[Falco]

With all due respect, why should Mason or anybody here give a flying f*ck about the opinion of somebody who only cares enough to come to a couple games every season?

According to that logic, why should we care for the poor. They pay very little in taxes, so why should they get a voice..