2014 Recruiting

gmutom

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With all the strikeouts Hewitt had at pg one could argue this was a settle. If he signs a quartermann type, moore is he new edwards.

Can you elaborate on all of the strikeouts he has had at PG without mentioning Quarterman's name? And can we please stop acting like losing a recruit to LSU is a strikeout? If you check your diploma closely, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say Duke, Syracuse or Arizona on it.

Oh, and for those thinking things would be so much rosier with Quarterman's beautiful shot instead of Moore's bad form, Tim is shooting 28% from the floor and 17% from behind the arc, which leads to a whopping 2.9 points per game in 13 minutes of action. Not saying the kid won't be good, but he's been downright horrible against some pretty average OOC opponents.
 

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Can you elaborate on all of the strikeouts he has had at PG without mentioning Quarterman's name? And can we please stop acting like losing a recruit to LSU is a strikeout? If you check your diploma closely, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say Duke, Syracuse or Arizona on it.

Oh, and for those thinking things would be so much rosier with Quarterman's beautiful shot instead of Moore's bad form, Tim is shooting 28% from the floor and 17% from behind the arc, which leads to a whopping 2.9 points per game in 13 minutes of action. Not saying the kid won't be good, but he's been downright horrible against some pretty average OOC opponents.

Tom I understand you diminishing Quarterman and all, but I think you are arguing semantics as well as being a bit hyporcritical. Moore is currently here, but he is yet to be determined if he can hold down the PG spot long term. Other than that, there has been an obvious void in the PG spot for 2.5 seasons (meanwhile being possibly the most glaring issue), and call it what you want....striking out, missing out, not getting the kid, failed courtship....its the same thing. Hewitt has had issues getting a PG on campus. Do you disagree with that?

Also, while nobody is under the delusion of where our school ranks in the recruit pecking order...some, including yourself praise Hewitt for shooting for the stars on some recruits, that will obviously mean that more than likely when we miss they are going to end up at BCS schools. So you cant really play on both sides of the fence there.
 
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Tom I understand you diminishing Quarterman and all, but I think you are arguing semantics.

Not at all. I just get tired of GSII dropping Quarterman's name over and over again like he's the posterchild for Hewitt's failures. A simple check of his stats would have shown that he's not lighting things up. Who knows, in four years we might be looking back and thanking the basketball gods that we landed Moore instead of Quarterman.

I agree with you that Hewitt has struggled to stabilize the PG position, but I'm also realistic in that great ones don't grow on trees and that the few that are out there aren't likely coming to George Mason. That doesn't mean we shouldn't go after them, because you never know when you might get lucky.

Moore will never have a great shot, but what I do love about him is he is fearless and not afraid to go to the basket. It also helps that he was under-recruited — mostly because of his shot — because he plays with a chip on his shoulder. What he needs to get better at over time is getting our big men involved and keeping the ball moving on offense.
 

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To be fair, there is a shortage of true PGs all across college basketball. It's not just Mason or just Hewitt.

That said, one of the first things Hewitt said when he got here was that he did a poor job managing the PG position at GT and ensuring he had depth, and it doomed him. You would think he wouldn't let the same thing happen to him again.

But there's also a sense in which he had to roll the dice with Cornelius and Edwards (who he may not have known much about) and see what he had, because where was he going to find a PG at the last minute? I'm sure in hindsight he might wish he'd saved Okoloji's scholarship for a 2012 PG.

The PG problem is also partly on the OCM for putting all his eggs in the Luke Hancock basket and not playing Allen enough as a frosh.
 

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I haven't paid close attention, so could be completely wrong, but hasn't vcu reloaded pretty good several times in a row at PG?
 

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To be fair, there is a shortage of true PGs all across college basketball. It's not just Mason or just Hewitt.

That said, one of the first things Hewitt said when he got here was that he did a poor job managing the PG position at GT and ensuring he had depth, and it doomed him. You would think he wouldn't let the same thing happen to him again.

But there's also a sense in which he had to roll the dice with Cornelius and Edwards (who he may not have known much about) and see what he had, because where was he going to find a PG at the last minute? I'm sure in hindsight he might wish he'd saved Okoloji's scholarship for a 2012 PG.

The PG problem is also partly on the OCM for putting all his eggs in the Luke Hancock basket and not playing Allen enough as a frosh.

To be fair, nobody envisioned at the time that L would leave and Luke would transfer. Putting all his eggs in the Hancock basket was also what's known as smart coaching.

I didn't hear anyone bitching when we had the nation's longest winning streak and won a game in the dance in 2010-11. Complaining now that Allen didn't get enough run in that stacked backcourt is kinda silly.
 

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They also have done a tremendous job coaching up their PG. Theus was terrible when he got there.
 

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Maybe Tom is drunk, but "Quartermann type" was in reference to a highly rated recruit. Nothing past recruit. What he does now as college player is different. But if the coach at LSU is starting him as a true freshman, he must be good. I'm not knocking Blewitt for going after him, or guys rated that high, he should, but like the in game strategies, he failed on Plan B when recruits of such high rating don't pick Mason. Why should we be happy settling for 2 star b/c our 4 star went BCS and the 3 star slipped to someone else. I feel like this is what happens but I don't know. All I know is I love Moore, Jenkins, ALLEN, Holloway, Kreider and Skeets. Everyone else I'd haze at my Frat house.
 
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Yeah, enough of jocking Quarterman. He plays at LSU which is a wastleland in D1. Nothing to see here.
 

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Solid PGs who can shoot are unicorns unless you're running a powerhouse program. I'd much rather deal with a diamond in the rough than waste time and energy on a 4-star who turned into a dud. College coaches all seem to have trouble dealing with the sunk cost fallacy when it comes to a highly coveted recruit.
 

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GS all of your posts are full of contradiction. First you say how poorly Hewitt has handled the PG position and in your next sentence you say how much you love Moore. Not sure how you can have it both ways?
 

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Porter with 15 last night as they remain undefeated. And Mayimba had 2 in a loss. That's two. Hopefully there is an explanation for that one.
 

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GS all of your posts are full of contradiction. First you say how poorly Hewitt has handled the PG position and in your next sentence you say how much you love Moore. Not sure how you can have it both ways?

What? I also said he can't shoot. The point is, imo, we settled at the position b/c Hewitt Blewitt in the roster management dept. And yes, i love Moore b/c he's fearless and can do alot of things well. But to succeed in this NBA style system, you gotta recruit PG's that can dribble, pass AND shoot. You know, the three basic fundamentals of bball.
 

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To be fair, nobody envisioned at the time that L would leave and Luke would transfer. Putting all his eggs in the Hancock basket was also what's known as smart coaching.

I didn't hear anyone bitching when we had the nation's longest winning streak and won a game in the dance in 2010-11. Complaining now that Allen didn't get enough run in that stacked backcourt is kinda silly.
At the time, I actually was worried about our long term plan at PG once Cam Long graduated. Later on, once we got his commitment, I assumed the recruiting experts were right about Corey Edwards and he would be Hancock's backup.

:slap:
 

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At the time, I actually was worried about our long term plan at PG once Cam Long graduated. Later on, once we got his commitment, I assumed the recruiting experts were right about Corey Edwards and he would be Hancock's backup.

:slap:

Edwards might have developed differently under Coach L as well. Obviously he would have never stood out but he might have done better in an offense a little less confusing than the "offense" PH runs.
 
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