Welcome Justin Kier

[Falco]

So now because he’s leaving, Kier gets the @sleeperpick stamp of approval. But you and others consistently refused to acknowledge that his injury had a significantly adverse impact on our team’s performance last season.

You spent most of the past 3 months saying he probably was never going to be the same again because of his foot, and insisting that nobody use his absence as an excuse for our sucky coach.

Now he can be a “great piece for a tournament-bound team?”

Which is it? You don’t get to have it both ways.

A nice piece and carrying a crummy team is vastly different

 

[KAOriginal]

Why bother? The ones with other options won’t stay if there’s a coaching change even if you want them to.

And given the pending rule change, even rising seniors (next year) like Miller and Hartwell will be able to leave and play elsewhere immediately.

We would be starting over at square one again. Nobody who cares about the program should be rooting for that outcome.

I care about the program immensely....and I can plainly see we need to be starting over.
Under the current regime...yes...Miller and Hartwell could be looking somewhere else.....because the writing is on the wall.

As for gambling---the known factor is Kier is not fully invested. The unknown factor is some freshman who becomes invested in the school regardless of the coach.

I think Paulsen has been dealt a bad hand...the lack of upper classmen due to injury etc has been decimating to compete in the A10. (But that's just the cards you get dealt sometimes. ) However, I have seen nothing dynamic from his coaching style or recruits that says he's a long term fit for this level of play.

 

[gmujim92]

I care about the program immensely....and I can plainly see we need to be starting over.
Under the current regime...yes...Miller and Hartwell could be looking somewhere else.....because the writing is on the wall.

As for gambling---the known factor is Kier is not fully invested. The unknown factor is some freshman who becomes invested in the school regardless of the coach.

I think Paulsen has been dealt a bad hand...the lack of upper classmen due to injury etc has been decimating to compete in the A10. (But that's just the cards you get dealt sometimes. ) However, I have seen nothing dynamic from his coaching style or recruits that says he's a long term fit for this level of play.

All I’m saying is for the people who think “starting over” just means getting rid of DP, wake the F up because it means a total rebuild with a completely decimated roster and loss of whatever 2021 recruits commit in November.

Between the 4 seniors graduating and everyone else who will be able to leave without penalty after next season, we MIGHT have 3 or 4 players left.

That’s not a reason not to fire him if the new president wants to bring in his own guy. But we should all be ready for at least 3-4 years of absolute suckitude if it happens.

 

[gmujim92]

Kier has already drawn interest from Arkansas, Butler, DePaul, Georgia Tech, Ohio State and Washington State, according to Rivals.

Yeah, he gone.

 

[sleeperpick]

So now because he’s leaving, Kier gets the @sleeperpick stamp of approval. But you and others consistently refused to acknowledge that his injury had a significantly adverse impact on our team’s performance last season.

You spent most of the past 3 months saying he probably was never going to be the same again because of his foot, and insisting that nobody use his absence as an excuse for our sucky coach.

Now he can be a “great piece for a tournament-bound team?”

Which is it? You don’t get to have it both ways.

no no no.... Kier was not making us any more than 7-8 last year. A fully healthy Kier last year might have made us 5-7 IMO but he was never going to be healthy last year and Paulsen should have never rushed him back from his injury. Year 5 and still 7-8 in A10 plus 3 kids on roster not A10 quality does not give the slack to Paulsen that you and others give him every year because of roster, injury and other hardships. You will not find any slander of Kier on these boards from me (AJ,Otis etc category) of Mason greats during Paulsen's time here, but that doesn't mean he was going to be a miracle worker in making last years roster truly A10 competitive. We still didn't have an experienced PG with or without Kier and the offensive game planning was still putrid. I also don't think Kier could play the 5 (a gaping hole in all 5 years of Paulsen's tenure (sans Shevon).

Play it as you want Jim and boost Paulsen as you want as well but even with a hobbled Kier (as he was last year) they weren't going to be very good.

And yes he would absolutely be a good piece on a really good team because that would make him a 4th-5th option on offense. That is what he is to a good team. To us he is number 1 and 2 honestly

 

[sleeperpick]

dammed if I compliment a player dammed if I don't. No question Kier was our best player but that doesn't make the team around him that good, because quite honestly they aren't. (damn sleeper pick you are so damn negative). sorry try to be complimentary and get called out by a try hard that makes 1000 excuses so one can be correct.

 

[Masonfan3]

All I’m saying is for the people who think “starting over” just means getting rid of DP, wake the F up because it means a total rebuild with a completely decimated roster and loss of whatever 2021 recruits commit in November.

Between the 4 seniors graduating and everyone else who will be able to leave without penalty after next season, we MIGHT have 3 or 4 players left.

That’s not a reason not to fire him if the new president wants to bring in his own guy. But we should all be ready for at least 3-4 years of absolute suckitude if it happens.

Make the right hire and "suckitude" doesn't have to be the case. Look at W&M this year and UNCW when Kevin Keatts came in.

 

[JPgmuswim]

All I’m saying is for the people who think “starting over” just means getting rid of DP, wake the F up because it means a total rebuild with a completely decimated roster and loss of whatever 2021 recruits commit in November.

Between the 4 seniors graduating and everyone else who will be able to leave without penalty after next season, we MIGHT have 3 or 4 players left.

That’s not a reason not to fire him if the new president wants to bring in his own guy. But we should all be ready for at least 3-4 years of absolute suckitude if it happens.

With so many players graduating next season that’s probably the best time to rebuild right? When almost half the roster would be changing anyway?

Suckitude is what we just saw in DP’s 5th season as headcoach.

We all want the same thing, I’ve given Paulsen the benefit of the doubt longer than a lot of people. He took over a program that was in a really bad spot, he got us to middle of the road in some down conference years. I’m at the point where I good with letting him take his senior laden squad as far as they can go next year. If that doesn’t land them in the NCAA tournament then we move on. No excuses.
Hopefully Justin comes back, definitely don’t blame him if he doesn’t, he deserves the support from the fan base regardless of the decision he makes.

 

[gmujim92]

Make the right hire and "suckitude" doesn't have to be the case. Look at W&M this year and UNCW when Kevin Keatts came in.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[gmujim92]

dammed if I compliment a player dammed if I don't. No question Kier was our best player but that doesn't make the team around him that good, because quite honestly they aren't. (damn sleeper pick you are so damn negative). sorry try to be complimentary and get called out by a try hard that makes 1000 excuses so one can be correct.

LOL

 

[KAOriginal]

All I’m saying is for the people who think “starting over” just means getting rid of DP, wake the F up because it means a total rebuild with a completely decimated roster and loss of whatever 2021 recruits commit in November.

Between the 4 seniors graduating and everyone else who will be able to leave without penalty after next season, we MIGHT have 3 or 4 players left.

That’s not a reason not to fire him if the new president wants to bring in his own guy. But we should all be ready for at least 3-4 years of absolute suckitude if it happens.

Well if that what it takes...Im not sure the concern. It's either continue to enjoy suck/mediocrity with Paulsen for 3 or 4 more years.....or suck with someone else who might be bigger success once the ball gets rolling.

We know what we have with Paulsen. He is a "good coach"...his teams fight hard and dont quit (like Hewitts) and he has shown to improve players. But being a head coach, especially in the A-10, is about winning and post season appearances. NOT hey "we snuck into the 5th place!"

Otherwise we should move back to the CAA or down to the Patriot where he's more comfortable coaching.

 

[gmujim92]

Well if that what it takes...Im not sure the concern. It's either continue to enjoy suck/mediocrity with Paulsen for 3 or 4 more years.....or suck with someone else who might be bigger success once the ball gets rolling.

We know what we have with Paulsen. He is a "good coach"...his teams fight hard and dont quit (like Hewitts) and he has shown to improve players. But being a head coach, especially in the A-10, is about winning and post season appearances. NOT hey "we snuck into the 5th place!"

Otherwise we should move back to the CAA or down to the Patriot where he's more comfortable coaching.

I find it interesting that you assume Mason can and will hire somebody better. Based on the program’s history with coaching hires, I’d give you even money that we hire someone worse and wind up blowing the whole thing sky high for no reason.

 

[GMUgemini]

Make the right hire and "suckitude" doesn't have to be the case. Look at W&M this year and UNCW when Kevin Keatts came in.

Keatts left and they went right back to sucking. Fisher, it remains to be seen if he can sustain success after Knight leaves (supposedly, to some people at least, Fisher sucks, so who knows).

If we fire Paulsen, not much is going to change in our position unless the AD says they're going to pump at least $1.5 million per year into our budget (that would put us at about $5 million a year and right around 4th-5th in the league in spending, with UMass and Richmond basically) -- increased assistant salaries, increased recruiting budget, charter flights to long away games, etc....and also announce some major upgrades to EBA or plans for a new arena. Fordham has a revolving door at coach and they've sucked for decades.

 

[tblack33]

Keep telling yourself that.

Lol except programs literally do it all the time with the right hire?

 

[tblack33]

I find it interesting that you assume Mason can and will hire somebody better. Based on the program’s history with coaching hires, I’d give you even money that we hire someone worse and wind up blowing the whole thing sky high for no reason.

I mean we were bottom 4 last year, it’s not like we can drop that much...

 

[GMUgemini]

I mean we were bottom 4 last year, it’s not like we can drop that much...

We can stay there year after year...

 

[By George.]

So now because he’s leaving, Kier gets the @sleeperpick stamp of approval. But you and others consistently refused to acknowledge that his injury had a significantly adverse impact on our team’s performance last season.

You spent most of the past 3 months saying he probably was never going to be the same again because of his foot, and insisting that nobody use his absence as an excuse for our sucky coach.

Now he can be a “great piece for a tournament-bound team?”

Which is it? You don’t get to have it both ways.

Did you not spend the last month saying Kier would return but Boyd wouldn't?

 

[gmujim92]

Did you not spend the last month saying Kier would return but Boyd wouldn't?

That was the plan, yes. I know we’re all shocked to discover plans change.

 

[By George.]

That was the plan, yes. I know we’re all shocked to discover plans change.

Clever way of saying - “I was wrong”

 

[gmujim92]

Clever way of saying - “I was wrong”

Yeah I guess you’ve never experienced that. Congrats, carrying around such perfection must be a heavy burden.