The Official Fire Dave Paulsen Thread

By George.

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I don’t know DP personally but do communicate occasionally with people who could be classified as insiders.

I talk far more often to people I’ve gotten to know in basketball circles — if you are a halfway decent reporter, you build up a lot of contacts over 20 years — and I have never heard from anyone who thinks DP is anything but an excellent teacher of the game who demands excellence from his players on the court, in the classroom and in the community.

I know this will make me sound like a douche, and I don’t mean to, but the fact that you think “most” coaches are detail-oriented made me chuckle when I read it.

Based on long experience dealing with a variety of coaches, I’d say the vast majority of college and pro coaches are control freaks. There’s a subtle, yet significant difference between that and being the type of coach who cares deeply about his players practicing, playing, studying and generally living their lives in a way that will help them become successful adults.

That is what I mean by detail-oriented and believe me when I say “most” coaches aren’t that. Many of them care only about their own success and either climbing to a better job or keeping the one they have — period. They only value their players to the extent that they help toward that objective.

It goes so far beyond helping up a teammate after he takes a charge or sprinting on and off the court. DP emphasized those teaching points early when he was rebuilding a broken program culture that was seriously lacking in accountability.

You think you’ll ever see one of our players sitting on the bench flipping through a cell phone during a game or cutting up during a blowout loss? Those are just two glaring examples. There are a million other less obvious things that go into building a healthy program with young men who are both good players and good people.

I, like many people, am mystified by the undisciplined, uninspired play we have seen from our veteran guys for long stretches of our first 10 games. Mainly because when DP came to Fairfax he was known as a blue-collar coach whose teams played hard and didn’t do stupid stuff to beat themselves.

I was frankly worried in the early going that he was too intense and would wear on guys. Maybe he has and they’ve started tuning him out? Maybe it’s simply that some guys we were counting on are either injured or aren’t performing up to their capabilities. Who the hell knows?

Nah, you’re not a dueche. Solid response, pretty much agree with everything you said.

Control freak is basically what I thought you meant originally. I can confirm that you’re correct about DPs character, there’s probably no one that will care about our players more than him. His personality is what keeps us supporting him cause often it’s not his coaching style.

Always love the back and forth! #beatJMU
 
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GMU1983

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Nah, you’re not a dueche. Solid response, pretty much agree with everything you said.

Control freak is basically what I thought you meant originally. I can confirm that you’re correct about DPs character, there’s probably no one that will care about our players more than him. His personality is what keeps us supporting him cause often it’s not his coaching style.

Always love the back and forth! #beatJMU
He never takes blame for the failures of the program this year...
 

gmujim92

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He never takes blame for the failures of the program this year...

What is it with the need to assign blame? It’s like people are obsessed because the coach won’t sit at a press conference and say he sucks at his job. I don’t get how that makes anyone feel better.

Over the course of a 32-game season, if our players and coaches allowed themselves to get as high and low as this board does after every win and every loss, they’d all kill themselves.
 

masonjoe

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Dumbass fans screamed for full court pressing, and AJ and Calixte playing more. We've seen both and they all suck. Get a coach who can recruit talent.
 

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What is it with the need to assign blame? It’s like people are obsessed because the coach won’t sit at a press conference and say he sucks at his job. I don’t get how that makes anyone feel better.

Over the course of a 32-game season, if our players and coaches allowed themselves to get as high and low as this board does after every win and every loss, they’d all kill themselves.

What is it with cherry picking excuses just b/c you don't agree. As recent as last week UNC got smashed by Michigan. Roy had no problem stating his coaching sucked and his team sucked. What's the harm if its true? Why is DP insecure to tell it like it is? Acknowledging a problem exists is the start of fixing it. Roy clearly is slacking. Luke May is slower. Lower production than last years 17ph & 10Reb averages. Big time recruit is lost. Why do you think? Roy is losing it. But hey its Roy and UNC.
 
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Mason2005

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Hewitt went back to back losing seasons and we canned him. If we go under .500 this season why can't the same reason be applied to Paulsen.

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Hewitt went back to back losing seasons and we canned him. If we go under .500 this season why can't the same reason be applied to Paulsen.

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And he had issues with academics. Maybe a few other things that never got out. Like Jollay showing up at his house trying to steal his Benz.
 

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Hewitt went back to back losing seasons and we canned him. If we go under .500 this season why can't the same reason be applied to Paulsen.

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Because he is coming off back-to-back above .500 seasons (although barely last year). If he goes below .500 this season and next it should be seriously considered.
 

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Hewitt went back to back losing seasons and we canned him. If we go under .500 this season why can't the same reason be applied to Paulsen.

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Hewitt went 66-67 (.496)
DP is 51-58 (.468)

Hewitt was paid nearly double what DP is making.
 

gmujim92

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Hewitt went back to back losing seasons and we canned him. If we go under .500 this season why can't the same reason be applied to Paulsen.

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Sorry, but I’m gonna need our administration to take a lot more nuanced view of the situation than that.

We’re never gonna be able to get out of perpetual tear-down and rebuild mode if we freak out and fire the coach every time we hit a bump in the road.
 

GMUgemini

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Hewitt’s overall trajectory was down.

Conference wins:

CAA: 14-4, 10-8; A10: 4-12, 4-14

Overall record: 24-9, 22-16, 11-20, 9-22

It was pretty clear which direction the drain was swirling.
 

Mason2005

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Sorry, but I’m gonna need our administration to take a lot more nuanced view of the situation than that.

We’re never gonna be able to get out of perpetual tear-down and rebuild mode if we freak out and fire the coach every time we hit a bump in the road.
Ok fine I agree. I'm praying Dave finds his mojo here. We really can't afford to have another failed coach.

The final 4 run was a decade ago. Local news and TV networks don't care about us. Our fan base consist of mainly fair weathered fans.

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Sorry, but I’m gonna need our administration to take a lot more nuanced view of the situation than that.

We’re never gonna be able to get out of perpetual tear-down and rebuild mode if we freak out and fire the coach every time we hit a bump in the road.

This is more than a bump. One winning season in four years. And are you optimistic about next season?
 

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Curious why they dont do post game pressers with a) only players then only coach or b) just coach.

Here recently its DP and players with Brad Edward's near by.

I think DP benefits from the latter setup bc if you had a question that would hit a nerve, you aren't asking it with college players up there.
 

GMUgemini

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Curious why they dont do post game pressers with a) only players then only coach or b) just coach.

Here recently its DP and players with Brad Edward's near by.

I think DP benefits from the latter setup bc if you had a question that would hit a nerve, you aren't asking it with college players up there.

I don’t know. There were a few last presser (being out rebounded, uncontested layups, Otis’s turnovers).
 

GMU1983

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What is it with the need to assign blame? It’s like people are obsessed because the coach won’t sit at a press conference and say he sucks at his job. I don’t get how that makes anyone feel better.

Over the course of a 32-game season, if our players and coaches allowed themselves to get as high and low as this board does after every win and every loss, they’d all kill themselves.
Dude you obviously have not been a leader. A sign of a great leader is to take the blame and apologize when appropriate.
 

Masonfan3

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Because he is coming off back-to-back above .500 seasons (although barely last year). If he goes below .500 this season and next it should be seriously considered.

I agree we should probably give him another year but we did finish below .500 last year and he has only had 1 winning season in 4 years....
 

Dawgs99

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Hewitt went 66-67 (.496)
DP is 51-58 (.468)

Hewitt was paid nearly double what DP is making.

Hewitt was most definitely not paid double what Dave is making. If that where the case PH was making 1.4 million per season. Not the case.
 
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PoorManProfit

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Hewitt was most definitely not paid double what Dave is making. If that where the case PH was making 1.4 million per season. Not the case.

Hewitt def made around a mil and a half with GT and was still being paid by them when he signed up with G Mas at about half that number.
 
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