Game 22: AT Virginia Commonwealth University, Saturday, February 2nd, 6:30 PM, NBCSN

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Fair enough. We have been weak on offense most everywhere, but then shooting over 40% are scary. The formula to winning is not to shoot over 15 3's, turnovers under 15 (this is the hard part) and hold the bad guys under 60. Doing 2 of 3 of these things makes for a difficult out for any team in the country. Just ask fuva.

Livingston is going to be blanketed, so someone else is going to have to get hot for you. We have 3 guys with quickness to match and much more size/height on him. Keep him under 15 is the ticket because he is going to get his. Good players do that.

It will be a fun game to watch if the refs let both teams play, but I don't see you guys getting a win at the Stu.

Overall agree. I do worry about Silva getting a lot of passes into the post and going up - he is strong. I also know if you all start getting hot at three point shooting then we will have a diffiicult time.

Our offensive hope and should be plan is to do what we have been successful at with slightly larger teams - working the back cuts to the post and mid range jump shooting. Otis will be covered but Jordan Miller has been strong along with Green.

Give the defensive nature of both teams I expect some streaky offense and relatively low scoring. I can see this game going down to the last couple of minutes and who ever can close more effectively will win.
 

Mason2005

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Fair enough. We have been weak on offense most everywhere, but then shooting over 40% are scary. The formula to winning is not to shoot over 15 3's, turnovers under 15 (this is the hard part) and hold the bad guys under 60. Doing 2 of 3 of these things makes for a difficult out for any team in the country. Just ask fuva.

Livingston is going to be blanketed, so someone else is going to have to get hot for you. We have 3 guys with quickness to match and much more size/height on him. Keep him under 15 is the ticket because he is going to get his. Good players do that.

It will be a fun game to watch if the refs let both teams play, but I don't see you guys getting a win at the Stu.

I love how you keep talking about Otis and only Otis. Have you heard of Kier before? Have you even watched any of our games? Get the hell out of here with your weak a** basketball knowledge you vcu homer.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Javon have a big game.

AT Rhode Island 15 points
AT UMass 19 points
Fordham 7 points
AT Dayton 7 points
GW 8 points

There is some consistency there.
 

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They will runs screens to get mismatches so it won't matter who otis is guarding. He isn't gonna be stuck to them when the screen happens. Main thing is defensive rotations, go under screens and switch 1-4, and look to help on penetrations. do that for 20 secs and they will jack up three's. On post entry passes just dig like we did vs dayton. vcu post guys are big macs compared to dayton.
 

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Glad some basketball talk is starting. I think the key is going to be like most games. Double the post and make vcu beat you from deep. Have a hand up every time they kick it out. In addition, make sure there’s good help defense otherwise it’ll be a layup line.

The double the post jump the passing lane strategy has worked a lot this year against teams with bigs. I see something similar happening Saturday. In addition I can see some tries at completely denying the post all together (sorta like the game in the a10 tournament 2 years ago) and daring someone to get hot from deep. I suspect that the coverage to the three point line will be a bit quicker this go around however.

Offensively Mason has to get a few threes to relax and not press on themselves. In addition they have to pick smart shots and not give in to what vcu wants them to shoot because then they’ll control the pace and it won’t end well.
 

By George.

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In case there’s anyone still in this thread that wants anything more than to argue with MudKat -

Here’s our Patriots vs Rams podcast. We got a new super silly intro that should bring back some great memories. Hint: Gus Johnson

For iPhone users -
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/by-george-podcast-by-george/id1088351501?mt=2&i=1000428571834

For everyone else - https://giantkiller.co/ByGeorge/2019/01/31/patriots-vs-rams/

In this episode we obviously talk Mason vs vcu, beating GW and Dayton, Chris gives some pregame spot ideas in case you’re making the trip south and we end the show talking about some Mason player flops of the last 10 years......don’t ask us why, we have this convo weekly for some reason. We’ll never come down from the hype of Copes, AO and Royal.
 

Pikapppatri8

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In case there’s anyone still in this thread that wants anything more than to argue with MudKat -

Here’s our Patriots vs Rams podcast. We got a new super silly intro that should bring back some great memories. Hint: Gus Johnson

For iPhone users -
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/by-george-podcast-by-george/id1088351501?mt=2&i=1000428571834

For everyone else - https://giantkiller.co/ByGeorge/2019/01/31/patriots-vs-rams/

In this episode we obviously talk Mason vs vcu, beating GW and Dayton, Chris gives some pregame spot ideas in case you’re making the trip south and we end the show talking about some Mason player flops of the last 10 years......don’t ask us why, we have this convo weekly for some reason. We’ll never come down from the hype of Copes, AO and Royal.

Real good production quality. Do you mind if I listen to this pantsless with a drink?
 

By George.

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OK one point of contention - complaining about drinking with fans "in their forties" -- dude - realize that is your prime demographics.

We only drink with 40 year olds pantless

Jk, we just like taking shots at the base, we pushing 40 ourselves. Thanks for listening, we appreciate all feedback
 

Ramz212

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What’s up guys! As much as I love talking shit back and forth this time I am here to talk bball...

First, congrats on the season so far. I know you guys were picked 4th preseason and us 7th(preseason polls mean nothing but still). I really think we both finish in the top 4 and hopefully get to meet later in the tournament like the old days.

Second, a lot of vcu fans just don't know what vcu team we are going to get. It felt good to finally go on the road(Duq) and pull off a big win after losing a big lead again. vcu has been up double digits against ODU, Davidson, and Rhode Island but they get in some horrible funks and don't score for 4-5 minutes at a time. Sure we are at home this time but overall this offense can be descent or just awful. Now to the players.

Evans/Jenkins/Vann- Those 3 are what makes the offense run. Sure Silva is the best inside player we have and he should be touching the ball as much as possible but those 3 are keys for the offense. If they are shooting at least descent, we can beat anyone. However if they are just throwing up 3s, then it could be a long day. If you guys can force our guards/wings to not drive and dish and just settle for 3s, it could be a long day for vcu. Jenkins is really our only good 3point shooter and he is streaky. He could have a game where he makes 4-8 or a game where he goes 1-8. Evans is of course our leader but he is the same. Makes some awesome passes/shots and then comes down and turns the ball over off his own leg or shoots a long NBA 3 that doesn't come close. Vann is kind of the biggest piece for vcu to be successful. Guy is our best driver, and all around guy but he is the same. He has games where he is our best player then he has a game where he just looks out of place and tries to drive into 3 guys.

Silva- Our best player and he keeps getting better. Think a key for you guys is to double him when he gets the ball down low and force him to throw it outside or take a longer shot that he isn't use to. May even want to foul him some since he shoots like Shaq used to from the free throw line.

I would bore you with all the other players but I am sure some of you guys don't care or have checked out already. I hope for a good game and I think since we are at home we pull this one out. I am a homer so of course I am going to say that and hope we murder you guys by 20. See you Saturday!
 

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What’s up guys! As much as I love talking shit back and forth this time I am here to talk bball...

First, congrats on the season so far. I know you guys were picked 4th preseason and us 7th(preseason polls mean nothing but still). I really think we both finish in the top 4 and hopefully get to meet later in the tournament like the old days.

Second, a lot of vcu fans just don't know what vcu team we are going to get. It felt good to finally go on the road(Duq) and pull off a big win after losing a big lead again. vcu has been up double digits against ODU, Davidson, and Rhode Island but they get in some horrible funks and don't score for 4-5 minutes at a time. Sure we are at home this time but overall this offense can be descent or just awful. Now to the players.

Evans/Jenkins/Vann- Those 3 are what makes the offense run. Sure Silva is the best inside player we have and he should be touching the ball as much as possible but those 3 are keys for the offense. If they are shooting at least descent, we can beat anyone. However if they are just throwing up 3s, then it could be a long day. If you guys can force our guards/wings to not drive and dish and just settle for 3s, it could be a long day for vcu. Jenkins is really our only good 3point shooter and he is streaky. He could have a game where he makes 4-8 or a game where he goes 1-8. Evans is of course our leader but he is the same. Makes some awesome passes/shots and then comes down and turns the ball over off his own leg or shoots a long NBA 3 that doesn't come close. Vann is kind of the biggest piece for vcu to be successful. Guy is our best driver, and all around guy but he is the same. He has games where he is our best player then he has a game where he just looks out of place and tries to drive into 3 guys.

Silva- Our best player and he keeps getting better. Think a key for you guys is to double him when he gets the ball down low and force him to throw it outside or take a longer shot that he isn't use to. May even want to foul him some since he shoots like Shaq used to from the free throw line.

I would bore you with all the other players but I am sure some of you guys don't care or have checked out already. I hope for a good game and I think since we are at home we pull this one out. I am a homer so of course I am going to say that and hope we murder you guys by 20. See you Saturday!


Ramz212 - thanks for the post. Agreed with your first three player reference. Those were the three we were discussing at the beginning of the thread. Jenkins in particular. I watched your three previous games and if he gets hot -- it will be difficult for us.

With regards to Silva - we will have to do the same thing we did at Dayton and UMASS - put him outside his normal potions for shooting well. We did that with Holloway at UMASS (who was a mountain of a man) and his shots went cold most of the game.

If I had my way - I would want us to force you all to the outside and just make longer shots or threes.
But that is not guaranteed.
 

GMUSig03

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What’s up guys! As much as I love talking shit back and forth this time I am here to talk bball...

First, congrats on the season so far. I know you guys were picked 4th preseason and us 7th(preseason polls mean nothing but still). I really think we both finish in the top 4 and hopefully get to meet later in the tournament like the old days.

Second, a lot of vcu fans just don't know what vcu team we are going to get. It felt good to finally go on the road(Duq) and pull off a big win after losing a big lead again. vcu has been up double digits against ODU, Davidson, and Rhode Island but they get in some horrible funks and don't score for 4-5 minutes at a time. Sure we are at home this time but overall this offense can be descent or just awful. Now to the players.

Evans/Jenkins/Vann- Those 3 are what makes the offense run. Sure Silva is the best inside player we have and he should be touching the ball as much as possible but those 3 are keys for the offense. If they are shooting at least descent, we can beat anyone. However if they are just throwing up 3s, then it could be a long day. If you guys can force our guards/wings to not drive and dish and just settle for 3s, it could be a long day for vcu. Jenkins is really our only good 3point shooter and he is streaky. He could have a game where he makes 4-8 or a game where he goes 1-8. Evans is of course our leader but he is the same. Makes some awesome passes/shots and then comes down and turns the ball over off his own leg or shoots a long NBA 3 that doesn't come close. Vann is kind of the biggest piece for vcu to be successful. Guy is our best driver, and all around guy but he is the same. He has games where he is our best player then he has a game where he just looks out of place and tries to drive into 3 guys.

Silva- Our best player and he keeps getting better. Think a key for you guys is to double him when he gets the ball down low and force him to throw it outside or take a longer shot that he isn't use to. May even want to foul him some since he shoots like Shaq used to from the free throw line.

I would bore you with all the other players but I am sure some of you guys don't care or have checked out already. I hope for a good game and I think since we are at home we pull this one out. I am a homer so of course I am going to say that and hope we murder you guys by 20. See you Saturday!

Thanks for the analysis! What you said reflects what most of us have inferred from the stats. I think your breakdown may also remind ourselves a lot of our time.

Kier/Greene/Otis - can all go 4-8 from 3 or 1-6. All have been much better at taking care of the basketball and all shoot FT's close to 90%.

Reuter starts at the 5 and can go for 15 and 5, or lay a complete egg. Not very athletic, but he is capable offensively and has developed into an excellent passer out of the post to our cutting guards.

The main difference I see between us is that I think we are a much more talented and capable team from 3, and we have more options off the bench if our starters are cold.

Calixte - sophomore big man who splits minutes with Reuter, but is better defensively and at rebounding and is ok offensively. Terrible FT shooter so he typically has to come out late in games.

Miller - burned his RS after we lost 2 starters and he quickly stole the starting spot at the 4. 6'6 athletic wing who can hit 3's and block shots.

Boyd - 6'4 strong guard, probably our most consistent 3 pt shooter but his impact has seemed to dip recently with the emergence of our freshmen.

Hartwell - solid backup true freshman PG, good for 1 big 3 a game and commits very few turnovers when relieving Otis.

JDS - true freshman SG who came in with high scoring expectations, has been showing more and more consistency from 3 as of late. Turning into a scoring spark off the bench.

AJ - fan favorite highlight reel, 6'7 pogo stick who can hit 3's and is legitimately one of the best shot blockers in the country (going by blocks per minutes played), but has dealt with a broken nose and possible illness/doghouse issues. Real wildcard where no one knows if he will play a single minute, or play 20+ and be the difference maker.

We have consistently played as well on the road as we should at home. While our 3 pt shooting and TO's have been more steady in conference play, there is still the possibility of us going entirely cold from 3 (see our game vs Davidson) and/or having too many sloppy TO's.

My expectation is that the game will be a defensive battle, but our 3pt shooting will put us slightly ahead, and our FT shooting will keep us there at the end.
 

Mason2005

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Thanks for the analysis! What you said reflects what most of us have inferred from the stats. I think your breakdown may also remind ourselves a lot of our time.

Kier/Greene/Otis - can all go 4-8 from 3 or 1-6. All have been much better at taking care of the basketball and all shoot FT's close to 90%.

Reuter starts at the 5 and can go for 15 and 5, or lay a complete egg. Not very athletic, but he is capable offensively and has developed into an excellent passer out of the post to our cutting guards.

The main difference I see between us is that I think we are a much more talented and capable team from 3, and we have more options off the bench if our starters are cold.

Calixte - sophomore big man who splits minutes with Reuter, but is better defensively and at rebounding and is ok offensively. Terrible FT shooter so he typically has to come out late in games.

Miller - burned his RS after we lost 2 starters and he quickly stole the starting spot at the 4. 6'6 athletic wing who can hit 3's and block shots.

Boyd - 6'4 strong guard, probably our most consistent 3 pt shooter but his impact has seemed to dip recently with the emergence of our freshmen.

Hartwell - solid backup true freshman PG, good for 1 big 3 a game and commits very few turnovers when relieving Otis.

JDS - true freshman SG who came in with high scoring expectations, has been showing more and more consistency from 3 as of late. Turning into a scoring spark off the bench.

AJ - fan favorite highlight reel, 6'7 pogo stick who can hit 3's and is legitimately one of the best shot blockers in the country (going by blocks per minutes played), but has dealt with a broken nose and possible illness/doghouse issues. Real wildcard where no one knows if he will play a single minute, or play 20+ and be the difference maker.

We have consistently played as well on the road as we should at home. While our 3 pt shooting and TO's have been more steady in conference play, there is still the possibility of us going entirely cold from 3 (see our game vs Davidson) and/or having too many sloppy TO's.

My expectation is that the game will be a defensive battle, but our 3pt shooting will put us slightly ahead, and our FT shooting will keep us there at the end.
Well said Joe.

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MasonCrew

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We only drink with 40 year olds pantless

Jk, we just like taking shots at the base, we pushing 40 ourselves. Thanks for listening, we appreciate all feedback

Nice podcast and thanks for the effort. Content was good and the production was good. There seemed to be an echo with one of the speakers though. Hopefully your next post is a victory recap!
 

mkaufman1

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What’s up guys! As much as I love talking shit back and forth this time I am here to talk bball...

First, congrats on the season so far. I know you guys were picked 4th preseason and us 7th(preseason polls mean nothing but still). I really think we both finish in the top 4 and hopefully get to meet later in the tournament like the old days.

Second, a lot of vcu fans just don't know what vcu team we are going to get. It felt good to finally go on the road(Duq) and pull off a big win after losing a big lead again. vcu has been up double digits against ODU, Davidson, and Rhode Island but they get in some horrible funks and don't score for 4-5 minutes at a time. Sure we are at home this time but overall this offense can be descent or just awful. Now to the players.

Evans/Jenkins/Vann- Those 3 are what makes the offense run. Sure Silva is the best inside player we have and he should be touching the ball as much as possible but those 3 are keys for the offense. If they are shooting at least descent, we can beat anyone. However if they are just throwing up 3s, then it could be a long day. If you guys can force our guards/wings to not drive and dish and just settle for 3s, it could be a long day for vcu. Jenkins is really our only good 3point shooter and he is streaky. He could have a game where he makes 4-8 or a game where he goes 1-8. Evans is of course our leader but he is the same. Makes some awesome passes/shots and then comes down and turns the ball over off his own leg or shoots a long NBA 3 that doesn't come close. Vann is kind of the biggest piece for vcu to be successful. Guy is our best driver, and all around guy but he is the same. He has games where he is our best player then he has a game where he just looks out of place and tries to drive into 3 guys.

Silva- Our best player and he keeps getting better. Think a key for you guys is to double him when he gets the ball down low and force him to throw it outside or take a longer shot that he isn't use to. May even want to foul him some since he shoots like Shaq used to from the free throw line.

I would bore you with all the other players but I am sure some of you guys don't care or have checked out already. I hope for a good game and I think since we are at home we pull this one out. I am a homer so of course I am going to say that and hope we murder you guys by 20. See you Saturday!

Good stuff man, welcome.
 

Mason2005

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I've watched a few of their games this season. What they excel in is mucking up games and capitalizing off it. I'm a little worried because we rely on 3 freshmen because of the injuries and Otis is a little turnover prone now.

Overall they are the same vcu. Most of their energy is spent on defense. They look good scoring off turnovers and their offense is mostly swinging the ball around the 3 then chucking one. They don't have a solid pg option. Evans is really a 2 and Byrd isn't good. They are also terrible on the line.

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Glad some basketball talk is starting. I think the key is going to be like most games. Double the post and make vcu beat you from deep. Have a hand up every time they kick it out. In addition, make sure there’s good help defense otherwise it’ll be a layup line.

The double the post jump the passing lane strategy has worked a lot this year against teams with bigs. I see something similar happening Saturday. In addition I can see some tries at completely denying the post all together (sorta like the game in the a10 tournament 2 years ago) and daring someone to get hot from deep. I suspect that the coverage to the three point line will be a bit quicker this go around however.

Offensively Mason has to get a few threes to relax and not press on themselves. In addition they have to pick smart shots and not give in to what vcu wants them to shoot because then they’ll control the pace and it won’t end well.

The patriots have to get Marcus Santos Silva in foul trouble early. If mason does it then vcu can't play inside out and becomes a 1 dimensional team.

Neither douglas, mobley nor gilmore has effective enough post up game to make opponents sag off and double team.

vcu offensive efficiency is very dependent on MSS's presence in the middle.
 

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The patriots have to get Marcus Santos Silva in foul trouble early. If mason does it then vcu can't play inside out and becomes a 1 dimensional team.

Neither douglas, mobley nor gilmore has effective enough post up game to make opponents sag off and double team.

vcu offensive efficiency is very dependent on MSS's presence in the middle.

Is Silva quick at all or slow? At times Reuter is slow moving but he hedges the opponent out and recovers quick which is good when the other players rotate. If he’s slow I could see Mason trying to screen and get him to try and recover to foul (something like that. I’m no coach). Of course they could always just give it to Reuter and have him try to draw a foul too especially at the beginning of the game.
 
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