Fire Dave Paulsen / Hire Tony Skinn

[PoorManProfit]

Whatever it takes, Paulsen needs to go. If losing the rest of the games this season helps get that done, so be it. Time to turn the page on this loser.

 

[psyclone]

Actively (or even passively) rooting for "your" team to lose, to help prove that your assessment of the coach is the correct one is akin to saying, " I'd rather be right than have the team be successful"

 

[Herndon]

Actively (or even passively) rooting for "your" team to lose, to help prove that your assessment of the coach is the correct one is akin to saying, " I'd rather be right than have the team be successful"

I haven't seen anybody doing that. I've seen people saying they expect to lose, but not people saying they HOPE to lose.

 

[gmubrian]

Actively (or even passively) rooting for "your" team to lose, to help prove that your assessment of the coach is the correct one is akin to saying, " I'd rather be right than have the team be successful"

I think the Brady/JMU situation highlights that this isn't necessarily the case. I understand that you can know with your whole body that a coach is not going to get it done. I was there with Hewitt. I did not want him to luck into a good enough situation that he got a renewal. I couldn't root for us to lose, but I couldn't watch any longer either. So, I can understand that others might be there with Paulsen even though I think the difficult thing is that he hasn't done anything that bad enough yet to warrant a 2 year early termination.

 

[GMUgemini]

I would like nothing more than for you to be right. Unfortunately I think you’re just holding on to false hope. I think we would still be the same mess with kier.
He’s a fine player but he benefited from teams putting their best defender on Otis.

I disagree in the sense that Kier was 90% from the floor in the Cayman Islands before he tweaked his ankle, then came back and was obviously not 100% healthy and struggled and then rebroke his foot and is now gone.

So I think a stress fracture less Kier would be a completely different player than the one you saw.

It also didn’t help that Hartwell’s mystery illness surfaced at the same time as Kier’s reinjury.

But beyond that, what Paulsen is asking this crop of players to do on offense and defense just isn’t working. With him at the helm next season, does he change up his approach? Do the players lock-in and get what he’s trying? Or do we remain rudderless? That remains the question.

 

[Falco]

I disagree in the sense that Kier was 90% from the floor in the Cayman Islands before he tweaked his ankle, then came back and was obviously not 100% healthy and struggled and then rebroke his foot and is now gone.

So I think a stress fracture less Kier would be a completely different player than the one you saw.

It also didn’t help that Hartwell’s mystery illness surfaced at the same time as Kier’s reinjury.

But beyond that, what Paulsen is asking this crop of players to do on offense and defense just isn’t working. With him at the helm next season, does he change up his approach? Do the players lock-in and get what he’s trying? Or do we remain rudderless? That remains the question.

All fair points. Hopefully Kier can come back and prove me wrong next year.

 

[GMUYoda]

I just want to know where the team that won the championship in the Cayman Islands went

 

[GMUgemini]

I just want to know where the team that won the championship in the Cayman Islands went

My guess. Confidence shot after getting just straight blasted in back to back games: TCU and vcu.

 

[sleeperpick]

I just want to know where the team that won the championship in the Cayman Islands went

New Mexico st had a really bad game and nebraska and ODU are absolutely terrible? Seems more likely than us somehow forgetting how to play basketball against good teams. I mean ODU is absolutely trash. Nebraska has like 7 scholarship players in a rebuild and New Mexico st is actually good but forgot their basketball shoes on the plane?

 

[Walter]

Like I said, hiring a basketball coach is tough. I never thought Danny Manning was a good hire, but there weren't exactly a lot of hot coaches beating down the door to become the next coach at former basketball power Wake Forest.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article239954898.html

 

[Quentin Daniels]

I haven't seen anybody doing that. I've seen people saying they expect to lose, but not people saying they HOPE to lose.

Because you have him blocked.

 

[GSII]

Like I said, hiring a basketball coach is tough. I never thought Danny Manning was a good hire, but there weren't exactly a lot of hot coaches beating down the door to become the next coach at former basketball power Wake Forest.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article239954898.html

Shaka was pretty hot then. And for 2 million a year I'm sure a few others would of crushed the door to get that job. Even one Lil David Paulsen would have been a better hire than Manning. However, he probably would have been fired quickly for recruiting Patriot League type players for the ACC.

 

[Falco]

• Patrick Ewing (Georgetown)
  • Would Georgetown really fire Patrick Ewing after just three seasons? Patrick Ewing?! The current state of Georgetown basketball has gotten bad enough where we are really asking that question. When a coach comes in to replace someone that was fired, it is usually fair game to give them until year three to accurately evaluate the new guy.
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    https://www.coachesdatabase.com/hot-seat-report/

 

[Falco]

• Patrick Ewing (Georgetown)
  • Would Georgetown really fire Patrick Ewing after just three seasons? Patrick Ewing?! The current state of Georgetown basketball has gotten bad enough where we are really asking that question. When a coach comes in to replace someone that was fired, it is usually fair game to give them until year three to accurately evaluate the new guy. Now in Ewing’s third year, his team is 12-9 behind Mac McClung, but four players have announced their transfer and local 4-star recruit Terrance Williams backed off of his commitment. Several of the transferring players were cited for burglary and sexual assault, putting Ewing in the cross-hairs after it was revealed that the players continued to participate in games after the complaints were filed in November. We would think that Ewing’s standing within the Georgetown community will buy him enough goodwill to weather this storm, but depending on who knew what and when, the tide could just as easily turn.
  • 
    https://www.coachesdatabase.com/hot-seat-report/

Usually fair to evaluate after three years. But paulsen needs 6 years....

 

[mkaufman1]

Usually fair to evaluate after three years. But paulsen needs 6 years....

Something to look into and think about for your perspective and everyone else’s.

I was informed from a friend of mine last night that Pat Chambers at Penn State is on year 10 without an NCAA appearance and has been mostly mediocre.

Now keep in mind

1) Football school so basketball has little to no expectations
2) Big Ten is a very tough league basketball wise to rebuild in
3) He too probably had to rebuild pipelines of recruits much like Paulsen did (Chambers recruits Philly really well)
4) Time is ticking for him too, but his bosses have stuck with him. Too long? Maybe.

I just found it interesting because I too was searching for an example of somewhere a coach getting a lot of time without making the NCAA and found one oddly enough. Just something to take a look at and for all of us to discuss.

(By no means am I saying “Dave should stay! We should be happy! Yay mediocrity!” Or anything like this, its merely a “hey I thought this was interesting and wanted to share”)

Edit: I was actually wrong. He made the CBI one year and then won the NIT one year.

CBI year 3. NIT year 7.

 

[Falco]

Something to look into and think about for your perspective and everyone else’s.

I was informed from a friend of mine last night that Pat Chambers at Penn State is on year 10 without an NCAA/NIT appearance and has been mostly mediocre.

Now keep in mind

1) Football school so basketball has little to no expectations
2) Big Ten is a very tough league basketball wise to rebuild in
3) He too probably had to rebuild pipelines of recruits much like Paulsen did (Chambers recruits Philly really well)
4) Time is ticking for him too, but his bosses have stuck with him. Too long? Maybe.

I just found it interesting because I too was searching for an example of somewhere a coach getting a lot of time without making the NIT/NCAA and found one oddly enough. Just something to take a look at and for all of us to discuss.

(By no means am I saying “Dave should stay! We should be happy! Yay mediocrity!” Or anything like this, its merely a “hey I thought this was interesting and wanted to share”)

Yeah I can’t believe he’s made it that long

 

[Pablo]

Something to look into and think about for your perspective and everyone else’s.

I was informed from a friend of mine last night that Pat Chambers at Penn State is on year 10 without an NCAA/NIT appearance and has been mostly mediocre.

Now keep in mind

1) Football school so basketball has little to no expectations
2) Big Ten is a very tough league basketball wise to rebuild in
3) He too probably had to rebuild pipelines of recruits much like Paulsen did (Chambers recruits Philly really well)
4) Time is ticking for him too, but his bosses have stuck with him. Too long? Maybe.

I just found it interesting because I too was searching for an example of somewhere a coach getting a lot of time without making the NIT/NCAA and found one oddly enough. Just something to take a look at and for all of us to discuss.

(By no means am I saying “Dave should stay! We should be happy! Yay mediocrity!” Or anything like this, its merely a “hey I thought this was interesting and wanted to share”)

As an alum, I'm glad that #22 Penn State is having a very good season, including a 75-70 victory last night at #16 Michigan State. But, Penn State has a reputation for being cheap in paying its men's basketball coach and for accepting mediocrity in the program. If you want to see banners hanging in the rafters at Penn State, go to Rec Hall (not the Bryce Jordan Center where they play basketball).

Interestingly, Paulsen is the type of coach that Penn State hires for its men's basketball program. So, if you're dissatisfied with Paulsen as the coach at your alma mater, then you probably shouldn't be comparing him with Patrick Chambers.

 

[mkaufman1]

As an alum, I'm glad that #22 Penn State is having a very good season, including a 75-70 victory last night at #16 Michigan State. But, Penn State has a reputation for being cheap in paying its men's basketball coach and for accepting mediocrity in the program. If you want to see banners hanging in the rafters at Penn State, go to Rec Hall (not the Bryce Jordan Center where they play basketball).

Interestingly, Paulsen is the type of coach that Penn State hires for its men's basketball program. So, if you're dissatisfied with Paulsen as the coach at your alma mater, then you probably shouldn't be comparing him with Patrick Chambers.

Totally fair points. My underlying point was more so “here’s an example of a coach who has had a lot of time without an NCAA/NIT appearance”. I have been trying to find examples more so for my sanity.

Also, according to a recent article it looks like they are putting more into the basketball program with a new facility on the way, and you’re right about being cheap on the basketball program in general. According to the wiki Chambers only makes 900k, which is obviously low.

It was merely a food for thought discussion point.

 

[GMUgemini]

Something to look into and think about for your perspective and everyone else’s.

I was informed from a friend of mine last night that Pat Chambers at Penn State is on year 10 without an NCAA appearance and has been mostly mediocre.

Now keep in mind

1) Football school so basketball has little to no expectations
2) Big Ten is a very tough league basketball wise to rebuild in
3) He too probably had to rebuild pipelines of recruits much like Paulsen did (Chambers recruits Philly really well)
4) Time is ticking for him too, but his bosses have stuck with him. Too long? Maybe.

I just found it interesting because I too was searching for an example of somewhere a coach getting a lot of time without making the NCAA and found one oddly enough. Just something to take a look at and for all of us to discuss.

(By no means am I saying “Dave should stay! We should be happy! Yay mediocrity!” Or anything like this, its merely a “hey I thought this was interesting and wanted to share”)

Edit: I was actually wrong. He made the CBI one year and then won the NIT one year.

CBI year 3. NIT year 7.

Mark Schmidt took 5 years to make the tournament and wasn’t above .500 in conference for the first four years (22-41 was his record for his first four seasons at St. Bonaventure).

 

[Pablo]

Mark Schmidt took 5 years to make the tournament and wasn’t above .500 in conference for the first four years (22-41 was his record for his first four seasons at St. Bonaventure).

How can you not be impressed with what Schmidt has accomplished at the school? He took over a program that had a record of 25-114 in the previous 5 seasons.