Mason32
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It’s a joke based off usual comments on here...
Dave Paulsen
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It’s a joke based off usual comments on here...
That's a good idea!
Pablo
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Mason has an Athletic Hall of Fame, although you can no longer access its website -http://www.masonhoops.com/board/thr...versity-athletic-hall-of-fame.955/#post-41603:
"AD Edwards/Coach Paulsen,
If you're reading this, I just want you to know that Rudolph Jones (who played for the Patriots in 1971-73) is the only men's basketball player inducted in the George Mason University Athletic Hall of Fame - see http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gema/genrel/auto_pdf/hall-of-fame.pdf. Surely, it's time to recognize other outstanding players including those on the 2006 Final Four team."
Pablo, Apr 8, 2015
This topic has been discussed multiple times on this board. The consensus is that the school does not know how to properly address the "Carlos Yates situation".
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Pablo - have you reached out to Brad or someone in the AD and received an answer? I’m curious what they have to say and if They concur on the Carlos Yates situation.
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Carlos Yates was the greatest player to ever wear a Mason uniform, and he should be judged based on what he did on the court. I wrote about his senseless murder in D.C. back in my newspaper days and detailed the sad turn his life took after his playing career ended. He was a really good guy who regretfully got caught up in some bad stuff, but nothing surrounding his death can ever take away from the incredible player he was, the astounding numbers he posted, or the records he set. And I will gladly share that with Brad, Dave and anybody else who wants to listen.
Pablo
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If it isn't related to Carlos Yates, then what else could it possibly be? It should be noted that UMD addressed the "Len Bias situation" - https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...nd-athletics-hall-of-fame-20140716-story.html.
Pablo
Hall of Famer
Tom,
Why don't you start a dialogue on this issue by sending AD Edwards an email?
https://gomason.com/news/2015/3/4/209924477.aspx
"Mason fans take for granted the Patriot Center and the 9,800 seats for basketball. This coming fall will mark the 30th year the men's team will call it home, starting all the way back for the 1985-86 season. It also means it has been 30 years since the most dynamic scorer in school history wore a Patriots jersey.
Carlos Yates is sometimes a forgotten legend in the annals of George Mason Basketball. He played from 1981-1985--just missing out on the first ever post season bid (1986 NIT)—and also missed out on playing in the Patriot Center. It's one of those cruel twists of fate sports sometimes takes. Yates scored 2,420 career points—before the three point line existed in college basketball—and none of them came in the building he helped get built.
Looking back through some old scrap books from the mid 80's, there are quite a few Yates stories most Patriot fans don't know. There was the game during the 1982-83 season at Duke when Yates led the Patriots to a six point halftime lead at Cameron Indoor against the Blue Devils. Mason would drop the contest 90-79 but Yates scored 35 points on 10-16 shooting and a perfect 15-15 from the free throw line. After the game Coach Mike Krzyzewski said “Yates was excellent. His scoring was one of the single biggest achievements I've seen by anyone since I've been here.” His 15-15 is still the Cameron Indoor record by an opponent for most free throws without a miss. And just for good measure, he also had six rebounds, six assists and two blocks while playing 39 minutes. Quite a day.
There was no doubt Yates could score. Looking over the Mason record book, he's all over it. Most points (2,420), highest season scoring average (26.8 as a sophomore in '82-83), most field goals in a career (865), most free throws in a season (209) and career (690) and of course most free throw attempts for a season (266) and career (921). Doing the quick math, Yates shot 78.5% in his single season record year and 74.9% for his career, both impressive numbers. His career scoring average (22.2) is tops in Mason's Division I history, in fact he owns three of the four top spots in single season average since Mason has been D1. And he did this all while shooting nearly 49% for his career. If you take away his freshman year point total…he'd still be #2 in Mason history in scoring just behind Kenny Sanders.
(To give the free throw numbers even more prespective—2006 Regional MOP Lamar Butler went 203-263 from the free throw line for his entire career. Yates went 209-266 in ONE season.)
As impressive as his game against Duke was in 1983, Yates' best performance probably came in his next to last home game as a Patriot. Playing against David Robinson and Navy on February 27, 1985 in the old PE Building (now renovated as the RAC), Yates put on an absolute show in setting the school's single game scoring mark of 42 points (again without a 3-point shot). Yates went for 25 first half points as the Patriots opened up a 20 point lead on the Midshipmen. He added 17 more in the second half in the 93-77 rout, 42 points on 17-27 from the field and 8-11 from the free throw line. When asked what it was about Navy that made it so easy for him that night, Yates replied “They didn't make it easy…I just made it look easy.” The original swag.
There are two great moments from the game against Navy his former teammates tell about Yates. One was captured in the newspaper accounts of the game. At one point during the game, there was a scramble for a rebound. Yates got tangled up in the mix and ended up on his back. The ball landed in his hands and with the hot shooting hand going according to the papers “(Yates) was feeling so good he even took one shot while lying flat on his back in the lane. It was one of the few that missed.”
The other moment comes from teammate Ric Wilson, a then junior on the 1984-85 team. At one point during the first half Yates was unstoppable. Yates was dribbling through the Navy zone and driving toward the rim when Robinson, the future NBA star, rotated over to contest the shot. Bodies collided and Yates twisted himself with his back to both Robinson and the basket so he could flip the shot up towards the backboard. With no possible way for Yates to see the rim, Robinson was stunned when Yates not only got the shot over his outstretched arms, but drew the foul and made the basketball while crashing to the floor. As Wilson tells it, Robinson stood in disbelief as Yates gathered himself off the floor, patted Robinson on the behind and said “don't feel bad man…I do that move all the time” as he walked to the free throw line.
Yates and the Patriots would win his senior game a few days later against UNCW but their season, and his career, would end two games later in the ECAC semifinals. There would be no post season tournament for Mason, something Yates wanted to make happen for his hometown school, a goal that would be achieved the following season in the NIT. Again, like playing in the Patriot Center, it came just a year too late for Yates.
In the days leading up to the final few games of his career, much was written about the impact Carlos Yates had on the George Mason basketball program. Former Mason Athletic Direct Jack Kvancz was quoted as saying while the Patriot Center wasn't necessarily the House that Carlos built “I won't say we wouldn't have the building if we didn't have Carlos. But let's just say funding has gone a lot smoother because of him.”
Yates is one of the most decorated players in Mason history. Four times he was named to the ECAC South's first team. He was co-player of the Year in 1982-83. He was an AP Honorable Mention All American four straight years. Had it not been for David Robinson at Navy, one of the greatest players of all time, Yates would have had more than one POY award to his name.
Thirty years ago the greatest scoring force to ever wear a Patriot uniform finished his career. Thirty years later current Patriot players, even if they don't know it, are benefiting from his legacy. "
https://s3.amazonaws.com/goduke.com/documents/2019/10/14/Full_Guide.pdf:
FREE THROWS MADE (NO MISSES)
1. Carlos Yates, George Mason, 1/3/1983: 15
2. Len Bias, Maryland, 1/25/1986: 13
3. Jeff Jones, Virginia, 1/30/1982: 12
Jason Capel, North Carolina, 3/3/2002: 12
5. Shermann Nearman, North Carolina, 2/24/1950: 10
Mike Arizin, William & Mary, 12/2/1972: 10
Phil Cox, Vanderbilt, 11/28/1981: 10
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Amen.
College sports is a business. Coaches are really free agents every year; contracts dont mean anything. Athletes now move like free agents as well.
Once fans realize this is a business, it makes everything easier to understand.
That doesn't stop fans of professional teams from hating players/coaches who are disloyal to the professional teams either (see Miami re: Nick Saban; Cleveland re: LeBron James "The Decision").
P.E. Building, which is now the RAC
The gym on campus now known as the RAC.
I remember the old days when JMU would take over the gym and bring their band for our games. No home court advantage.
Games were free and you'd get a coupon for a free Whopper at the Fairfax Burger King for attending!
There were usually only 50 - 100 people there. Crowds on a good day would sometimes get into the hundreds. This was way back in the 70's.
Passing time exercise. Assign a Pass/fail rating for DP's recruits.
Pass
- Otis
- Kier
- Greene
- Wilson
- Miller
- Johnson
Fail
- Grayer
- Abram
- Boyd
- Reuter
- Dixon
- Temara
- Relvao
- Newman
- Mar
- Calixte
- JDS
No rating yet
- Daddy
- Oduro
- Hartwell
*I'm on the fence about Grayer and Boyd because of how it ended, and judging the players more by Paulsen's handling of the players.
Pass
- Otis
- Kier
- Greene
- Wilson
- Miller
- Johnson
Fail
- Grayer
- Abram
- Boyd
- Reuter
- Dixon
- Temara
- Relvao
- Newman
- Mar
- Calixte
- JDS
No rating yet
- Daddy
- Oduro
- Hartwell
*I'm on the fence about Grayer and Boyd because of how it ended, and judging the players more by Paulsen's handling of the players.
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Yeah I didn't know how to grade Boyd and Grayer. Fine players but they ultimately didn't work out.
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