2019 Recruiting

[GSII]

Not sure he is a CAA level recruit

Anywhere but here. We have a new Virus to deal with.

 

[Masonfan3]

Who is this kid and does he have other offers? If we aren't beating top half of league in recruiting, we aren't beating them on the court.

Are we even trying to compete for the same guys as the top half of the league? It seems like other A10 schools are competing with each other (and bigger programs) for kids while we are competing with the Patriot league for 0-2 star kids. We will get lucky every couple years and get a guy like Otis but we won't start beating the top half until we start getting a couple higher ranked recruits. Don't get me wrong, I would rather have a bunch of 2 start recruits who work their butts off than a higher ranked guy who doesn't. But, our lack of skilled recruits with size and athleticism really shows when we start playing some of the better teams in this league. DP gets a pass for his first year (maybe two) but there is a reason that a lot of our players weren't heavily recruited coming out of high school. Also, all this could go out the window if we had a coach who knew how to coach to his players strengths...but we don't.

 

[GSII]

Been saying the above since Lil Dave arrived. Recruiting was my biggest concern for him. But this is what we get for being cheap.

 

[dr. gunnie]

We have some decent A10 players, but unfortunately it’s all we have. To be an NCAA tournament team, you need those type players with a few stars sprinkled in. We don’t have any of those guys. In fact, since we’ve joined the A10 we’ve yet to have a guy make 1st team all A10 (and we won’t this year). In that same time frame:

vcu - 5
Davidson - 4
St Bona - 4
Dayton - 3
St Joe’s - 3
Richmond - 2
St Louis - 2
UMass - 1
Rhode Island - 1

Fordham - 0
LaSalle - 0
Duquesne - 0
GW - 0
Mason - 0

You aren’t going to the promise land with average players. We need to hit the jackpot at some point. I don’t know if we are capable of doing that going after kids that dont have any other offers from other top or mid programs. I want to be wrong! I would love to be wrong! There is no reason we can’t compete with Davidson, Bonaventure, St. Joe’s, Richmond for players. I will give credit to our staff for getting under recruited guys and making them into solid A10 players, but solid A10 players get beat by good A10 players by 30.

 

[GMU_DCU]

We have some decent A10 players, but unfortunately it’s all we have. To be an NCAA tournament team, you need those type players with a few stars sprinkled in. We don’t have any of those guys. In fact, since we’ve joined the A10 we’ve yet to have a guy make 1st team all A10 (and we won’t this year). In that same time frame:

vcu - 5
Davidson - 4
St Bona - 4
Dayton - 3
St Joe’s - 3
Richmond - 2
St Louis - 2
UMass - 1
Rhode Island - 1

Fordham - 0
LaSalle - 0
Duquesne - 0
GW - 0
Mason - 0

You aren’t going to the promise land with average players. We need to hit the jackpot at some point. I don’t know if we are capable of doing that going after kids that dont have any other offers from other top or mid programs. I want to be wrong! I would love to be wrong! There is no reason we can’t compete with Davidson, Bonaventure, St. Joe’s, Richmond for players. I will give credit to our staff for getting under recruited guys and making them into solid A10 players, but solid A10 players get beat by good A10 players by 30.

To be fair it was a crock of shit that Marquise Moore wasn't an all A-10 player his senior year...absolute robbery.

 

[GMUgemini]

To be fair it was a crock of shit that Marquise Moore wasn't an all A-10 player his senior year...absolute robbery.

Otis was first team preseason, but his senior year was a bit of a disappointment. He was second team last year.

Kier was looking like he was a candidate for first team earlier in the conference season and then he fell off a cliff. He still has a year left to make his mark and be consistent.

Mar just missed out on all-rookie last year.

Miller is probably in the same boat — maybe 7th or 8th best freshman in the A10. If he had started earlier and gotten more games under his belt maybe?

 

[Mason2005]

Daddy probably ran away after last night's game. Can DP actually fill 13 scholarships finally?

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[GSII]

Lil Dave mentioned in presser he had same thing happen years ago. Got blasted at home by rival but same team won conf tourney. Also said he had team fold after seperate blasting. Anyone know which school he was referring to?

 

[Falco]

Daddy on official Mason visit

https://mobile.twitter.com/NorthernKingsCA/status/1102644224078630915

That was posted on the 4th. I hope he left before the vcu game

 

[FreeGunston12]

Hope Daddy didn’t stay for the game. If so, we might want to go ahead and offer someone else.

That was posted on the 4th. I hope he left before the vcu game

Stop stealing my hot takes bro. Wouldn't want anyone getting us confused.

 

[Falco]

Stop stealing my hot takes bro. Wouldn't want anyone getting us confused.

Great minds think a like I guess

 

[ephoops]

Lil Dave mentioned in presser he had same thing happen years ago. Got blasted at home by rival but same team won conf tourney. Also said he had team fold after seperate blasting. Anyone know which school he was referring to?

In 2007, Paulsen's Williams team was blown out at home by Amherst (FYI - Williams v. Amherst is the Duke/UNC rivalry in D-III) in the regular season. They were also blown out as well at Amherst earlier that season.

Williams came back and beat Amherst by one point in the conference championship game to get the auto bid to the D-III NCAA tournament. Amherst went on to win the D-III national championship that year.

 

[GMUgemini]

In 2007, Paulsen's Williams team was blown out at home by Amherst (FYI - Williams v. Amherst is the Duke/UNC rivalry in D-III) in the regular season. They were also blown out as well at Amherst earlier that season.

Williams came back and beat Amherst by one point in the conference championship game to get the auto bid to the D-III NCAA tournament. Amherst went on to win the D-III national champo]ionship that year.

Losing ehoops after Paulsen leaves is going to be a shame.

 

[GSII]

In 2007, Paulsen's Williams team was blown out at home by Amherst (FYI - Williams v. Amherst is the Duke/UNC rivalry in D-III) in the regular season. They were also blown out as well at Amherst earlier that season.

Williams came back and beat Amherst by one point in the conference championship game to get the auto bid to the D-III NCAA tournament. Amherst went on to win the D-III national championship that year.

Was there a talent difference between the two like you see with us vs vcpoo? Wondering if there is a chance we can beat them if we see them in Brooklyn.

Do you think Dave has the wrong perception and approach on recruiting in A10? Are his pipelines mainly Patriot League players? Asking bc that's a glaring problem.

 

[mkaufman1]

In 2007, Paulsen's Williams team was blown out at home by Amherst (FYI - Williams v. Amherst is the Duke/UNC rivalry in D-III) in the regular season. They were also blown out as well at Amherst earlier that season.

Williams came back and beat Amherst by one point in the conference championship game to get the auto bid to the D-III NCAA tournament. Amherst went on to win the D-III national championship that year.

Coach also mentioned that he’s had teams wilt and say woe is me. Do you know those teams too?

I do think if somehow there was a third matchup it wouldn’t be a blowout, much like 2017.

Also, anyone have an idea if Hadara’s thoughts and how the visit went other than attending the game?

 

[GSII]

Ephoops getting all the questions today!

Wait, are we the "woe me" team?

 

[GMU_DCU]

Ephoops getting all the questions today!

Wait, are we the "woe me" team?

We've been the "woe me" fanbase for awhile now.

 

[ephoops]

Was there a talent difference between the two like you see with us vs vcpoo? Wondering if there is a chance we can beat them if we see them in Brooklyn.

The Amherst team in 2007 finished 30-2 and won the D-III nat'l championship. Their talent level that year was much better than DP's Williams team. DP's team got hot in the conference tournament and won three straight games to make the NCAA tournament.

you think Dave has the wrong perception and approach on recruiting in A10? Are his pipelines mainly Patriot League players? Asking bc that's a glaring problem.

As for DP's perception and approach to recruiting at Mason versus Bucknell and Williams, I have some some thoughts on that which I will save for a longer post at a later time.

In short, I would say that part of DP's success at both Williams and Bucknell was his ability to recruit players with the talent to play at a higher level. In general, his Williams recruits were kids who could have played in the Ivy league or the Patriot League. His Bucknell recruits were kids who could have played in the A10 or certain P-5 conference schools. He also recruited great kids with very high integrity.

DP's best teams at both Williams and Bucknell had some common components: a very good big man, at least one player who was a very reliable 3-pt shooter and a good-to-very-good point guard. I have to think that it's been somewhat frustrating for DP and his staff that they have not been able to recruit a very solid 5 into the program. The same for not having a reliable 3-pt shooter.

As for DP's coaching ability, there is no question in my mind that he is a very good coach. If you take a step back, the team is likely to win 11 games in the A-10 this year and probably should have won at least one more game (Duquesne comes to mind), if not two. The team accomplished this despite the loss of Grayer, Mar and Calixte (for a couple of key conference games, including the loss to Duquesne). In addition, while I don't know this for a fact, I think we'll learn that Reuter has not been healthy for much of the season (the TV announcers during the vcu game mentioned a hip issue).

 

[GSII]

vcpoo has 2 4 star kids and a bunch of 3 star, a few 2 star. They are dominating in similar fashion you described DP dominating at his previous schools with the common denominator between the vcpoo comparison and DP's former dominating teams being the above average recruiting. There is clear proof that DP knows what to do but isn't doing it. Why do you think DP isn't getting the kids that could play in higher confereneces now that he is in the A10?

 

[Mason2005]

vcpoo has 2 4 star kids and a bunch of 3 star, a few 2 star. They are dominating in similar fashion you described DP dominating at his previous schools with the common denominator between the vcpoo comparison and DP's former dominating teams being the above average recruiting. There is clear proof that DP knows what to do but isn't doing it. Why do you think DP isn't getting the kids that could play in higher confereneces now that he is in the A10?

I would guess it's his pipelines. Hewitt had no issues getting P5 caliber recruits, so it isn't Mason's image. The question is, can he upgrade his pipelines?

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