NIL Thread

[2011WinOverVillanova]

I don’t believe that.

How much are our starters paid?

You don't view the richmond times dispatch as a reputable news source or newspaper?

 

[GSII]

Why all the hyper drama posts?

 

[mkaufman1]

Let’s cool the dramatics. Merged the new thread with the old NIL thread, and reopened the NIL thread for NIL discussion.

 

[gmujim92]

You don't view the richmond times dispatch as a reputable news source or newspaper?

$4M to $5M for the entire athletic department’s NIL does not equal $384,000 per player. Only someone with a degree from art school would do math like that lol.

 

[Walter]

You don't view the richmond times dispatch as a reputable news source or newspaper?

no

 

[jessej]

I don’t believe that.

How much are our starters paid?

i agree
$384k x 14 players = $5.376M
much more than the total budget

1/2of that may be believable
but that large amount may anger the other sports who have to share 1/2 of the funds

 

[Walter]

I couldn’t read the article, but it appears to be about revenue sharing starting next year. It is my understanding that donations don’t count for revenue sharing. I saw where vcu gets around $2m in ticket sales. The MBB players would get a portion of the revenues minus costs, I assume.

No way the average vcu MBB player gets what the article purportedly claims.

 

[Patriot8]

"Some colleges have discussed allotting 75% to football players, 15% to men's basketball players and 10% to athletes of other sports, McLaughlin said."

Let's use this as a guide and say vcu will allocate 75% to men's basketball as their flagship sport. In the article, McLaughlin says that vcu will not exceed 13 MBB scholarships. They are only using 12 this season, but we will use 13 in the example.

75% of $4.5mil is $3,375,000.
$3,375,000/13 = $259,615 per scholarship player on average + whatever the collective kicks in

It's entirely plausible that their starters will be making 350k - 400k.

 

[Leesburg Chankenstank III]

That salary would be on the high end of the average salary of European pro players.

Crazy to think most players will take a pay cut going overseas after college.

 

[mkaufman1]

This might be a dumb question - is the money here "all inclusive" with like benefits involved (a car for example), or is it straight compensation.

That also could skew the numbers slightly if some benefits are included with the numbers. They are still planning on spending a pretty penny.

 

[Leesburg Chankenstank III]

The average salary in European basketball leagues varies significantly depending on the league, country, and player skill level. Here’s a breakdown of average salaries for major European basketball leagues:





High-Level Leagues:


1. EuroLeague (Top-tier European competition):


• Average Salary: €400,000–€800,000 per year.
• Star Players: €1 million–€5 million annually (e.g., players like Nikola Mirotić or Shane Larkin). • Rookie or Role Players: €100,000–€250,000.


2. Spain - Liga ACB (Top-tier domestic league):


• Average Salary: €150,000–€350,000.
• Top Players: €1 million–€3 million.


3. Turkey - BSL (Basketball Super League):


• Average Salary: €100,000–€350,000.
• Top Players: €500,000–€2 million.


4. Russia - VTB United League:


• Average Salary: €100,000–€350,000.
• Top Players: €1 million–€3 million.


5. Italy - Lega Basket Serie A:


• Average Salary: €80,000–€200,000.
• Top Players: €500,000–€1 million.


6. France - LNB Pro A:

• Average Salary: €60,000–€200,000.
• Top Players: €300,000–€800,000.



Mid-Level Leagues:


• Germany - Basketball Bundesliga (BBL):
• Average Salary: €60,000–€120,000.
• Top Players: €300,000–€500,000.
• Greece - Greek Basket League:
• Average Salary: €50,000–€100,000.
• Top Players: €500,000–€1 million.





Lower-Level Leagues:


• Poland, Belgium, Lithuania, and other smaller leagues:

• Average Salary: €20,000–€80,000.
• Top Players: €100,000–€200,000.





Additional Considerations:

1. Taxation: Player earnings are affected by the tax rate in each country. Some teams offer tax-free contracts to attract talent.

2. Bonuses: Many players receive performance-based bonuses, such as playoff wins or championship victories.

3. Housing & Perks: Teams often provide housing, cars, and other perks that reduce living expenses for players.

 

[GMUgemini]

"Some colleges have discussed allotting 75% to football players, 15% to men's basketball players and 10% to athletes of other sports, McLaughlin said."

Let's use this as a guide and say vcu will allocate 75% to men's basketball as their flagship sport. In the article, McLaughlin says that vcu will not exceed 13 MBB scholarships. They are only using 12 this season, but we will use 13 in the example.

75% of $4.5mil is $3,375,000.
$3,375,000/13 = $259,615 per scholarship player on average + whatever the collective kicks in

It's entirely plausible that their starters will be making 350k - 400k.

Title IX lawsuit incoming in 3, 2, 1…

 

[gmubrian]

Title IX lawsuit incoming in 3, 2, 1…

I don't doubt there will be a lawsuit, but, if past rulings are any indication of the future, it shouldn't be an issue. The key is market rate. Just like no team pays their women's coach anywhere near what they pay their men's coach.

 

[GMUgemini]

I don't doubt there will be a lawsuit, but, if past rulings are any indication of the future, it shouldn't be an issue. The key is market rate. Just like no team pays their women's coach anywhere near what they pay their men's coach.

Given the rise in popularity of women’s basketball over the last 3-5 years, having them share 10% of the revenue with all the other sports is not going to fly.

I doubt the women’s teams would ask for 50-50, but it seems pretty ridiculous to pay football 75% of all the revenue share and then ask every woman’s sport split up like 5%.

I also wonder how baseball players would feel about this arrangement too.

Edit: I would say the gold standard of this kind of model is from US Soccer where they put all revenue in on giant pot and share it equally between the men and women. This required the men’s players to take a bit of a pay cut, which they accepted.

The Olympics also does this, particularly in gymnastics and ice skating where the women are vastly more popular than the men. I believe tennis has also starting doing this.

Once again, I don’t think you have to go 50-50 between the two big revenue sports and everyone else, but maybe get a little closer than 90-10?

 

[gmujim92]

Given the rise in popularity of women’s basketball over the last 3-5 years, having them share 10% of the revenue with all the other sports is not going to fly.

I doubt the women’s teams would ask for 50-50, but it seems pretty ridiculous to pay football 75% of all the revenue share and then ask every woman’s sport split up like 5%.

I also wonder how baseball players would feel about this arrangement too.

Edit: I would say the gold standard of this kind of model is from US Soccer where they put all revenue in on giant pot and share it equally between the men and women. This required the men’s players to take a bit of a pay cut, which they accepted.

The Olympics also does this, particularly in gymnastics and ice skating where the women are vastly more popular than the men. I believe tennis has also starting doing this.

Once again, I don’t think you have to go 50-50 between the two big revenue sports and everyone else, but maybe get a little closer than 90-10?

Right, good luck even fielding a women’s program if you publicly announce your men’s team is getting 75% of the pay pool and the women get 10 or 15%.

Especially when you’re a state school that relies on $1,400 per student in fees to fund your athletic department and more than half of your student body is female.

That’s just not gonna fly.

 

[Petey Buckets]

Right, good luck even fielding a women’s program if you publicly announce your men’s team is getting 75% of the pay pool and the women get 10 or 15%.

Especially when you’re a state school that relies on $1,400 per student in fees to fund your athletic department and more than half of your student body is female.

That’s just not gonna fly.

Is the implication here that the women are gonna quit or hold out if the men get paid more? Color me extremely skeptical, especially if this becomes the standard around the college athletics world.

 

[gmujim92]

Is the implication here that the women are gonna quit or hold out if the men get paid more? Color me extremely skeptical, especially if this becomes the standard around the college athletics world.

No, of course the men are gonna be paid more. 75% to 15% at a state school that relies on student fees to fund its athletic programs is the issue. There are more than a few women in the General Assembly these days and I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a problem with such a lopsided split.

Edit to say, NIL $ that comes exclusively from donors is a different story. The university paying players directly is not that and thus other considerations come into play.

 

[jessej]

350+ Women's Division I BBall programs
only 4 or 5 pay the women' coach more than $2M/year

Missing is Tara Vanderveer - just retired coach at Stanford, who sued Stanford over her head coach salary and Title IX violations. She retired making about $2.5M per year.

Top 10 highest paid women's college basketball coaches of 2024 ft. Coach Kim Mulkey

College basketball is a big-money business, and that's not just the men's game. In 2024, at least 18 NCAA women's basketball coaches earned salaries over $1,000,000.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[Walter]

"Some colleges have discussed allotting 75% to football players, 15% to men's basketball players and 10% to athletes of other sports, McLaughlin said."

Let's use this as a guide and say vcu will allocate 75% to men's basketball as their flagship sport. In the article, McLaughlin says that vcu will not exceed 13 MBB scholarships. They are only using 12 this season, but we will use 13 in the example.

75% of $4.5mil is $3,375,000.
$3,375,000/13 = $259,615 per scholarship player on average + whatever the collective kicks in

It's entirely plausible that their starters will be making 350k - 400k.

I have read that schools will allocate 22% of revenues ( ticket sales, sponsorship and TV money) for paying athletes. If correct, it is 22% of $4.5M ($990k) which at 100% would be $76.2k per player.

 

[Walter]

Good article here: https://nil-ncaa.com/

The estimated average revenue sharing for a Power Conference MBB player is $218k per year.

No way vcu players get anywhere near that.