Jarred Reuter??

[dr. gunnie]

Otis is a great kid and has a fantastic career, but I think using his numbers as some sort of measuring stick as to where he falls in the Mt Rushmore of Mason players is very misleading. Otis benefited from playing time that most players never get because of a coaching transition. That is no fault to him. To me, Otis is a top 20/25 player (and that's pretty frickin' good). When I hear Dave or others say he's top 5, I just don't know.

I think I can come up with close to 20 names of players that could of been top 5 scoring all time if they got the number of minutes or the shots that Otis was allowed to take because we basically didn't have anything else.

Like one name that I thought about is Mark Davis. Davis was a stud. Is Otis better than Davis? I don't know. Like I said, I can come up with lots of names - Miskiri, Herring, Dorsett, Davis, Butler, Skinn, Vaughan, Campbell, Long, Wright, Allen, Moore... I mean, Otis is in the conversation with those guys - no doubt, but I'm not sure I can say with 100% certainty that he is better than any of those guys.

 

[gmujim92]

Kier and Otis would on most... hell even Jordan Miller probably would.... so if Dave is a good coach and we have good players why do we suck?!? Something just doesn't add up to me

I guess you have to accept the premise that “we suck,” which is easier for most people to go along with after last night’s debacle.

We were 7-1 in the A-10 at one point and nearly won at K-State (without Wade, admittedly) so maybe it’s a little more complicated than that.

I think we are struggling so badly because most of our guys are banged up physically and worn down mentally. But I’m sure posters will be along soon to call that a cop out.

 

[patriotchild]

So remember that time when Luke Hancock transferred and sat out a year and Rick Pitino was asked what will be the difference next year? His answer was Luke Hancock... and a lot of us, Louisville fans, and myself included were like WTF no way!

That's correct player evaluation. And it sticks in my mind because I don't recall a coach ever stating so confidently that they were one specific player away from a national championship.

Coaches shouldn't and don't normally go out on limbs like that. If they do they better know what they are talking about, otherwise they deserve to be roasted and in some cases fired.

I don't think Dave should or will be fired at this point since we are technically still trending up (ever so slightly). But he deserves to be roasted for his comments about Reuter and the 2 year season.


All I'm looking for is accountability from Dave at this point.

 

[Falco]

DP is safe, no doubt about it. But his seat is getting really warm next year.

In order for Paulsen to keep his job after next season, I hope to see at least one of the following.
- 20 wins
-top 4 finish
- NIT/NCAA berth.

Outside of any of those accomplishments, he is as good as gone. I think those are reasonable expectations.

 

[Leesburg Chankenstank III]

I guess you have to accept the premise that “we suck,” which is easier for most people to go along with after last night’s debacle.

We were 7-1 in the A-10 at one point and nearly won at K-State (without Wade, admittedly) so maybe it’s a little more complicated than that.

I think we are struggling so badly because most of our guys are banged up physically and worn down mentally. But I’m sure posters will be along soon to call that a cop out.

You are incredible. If I ever needed a lawyer, I would want someone EXACTLY like you.

If DP showed his erect penis to a secretary in the Mason office and had video evidence, you would come on here and say "Well DP should be applauded for always teaching. In this case he wanted to give the secretary continuing education on human, (specifically male) anatomy. If you guys can't see the value in that, then you're not a true Mason Fan."

 

[gmujim92]

You are incredible. If I ever needed a lawyer, I would want someone EXACTLY like you.

If DP showed his erect penis to a secretary in the Mason office and had video evidence, you would come on here and say "Well DP should be applauded for always teaching. In this case he wanted to give the secretary continuing education on human, (specifically male) anatomy. If you guys can't see the value in that, then you're not a true Mason Fan."

LOL

 

[p8triotfan4life]

hahaha , good seeing you last night, Chank!

 

[gmutom]

Now go f*ck yourself slappydick.

Slap a hashtag in front of that, and I think we could have it trending by dinner time.

 

[Leesburg Chankenstank III]

hahaha , good seeing you last night, Chank!

You too man!

 

[gmujim92]

Slap a hashtag in front of that, and I think we could have it trending by dinner time.

I would make it my signature, but apparently I’m too ancient to figure out that modern technology.

 

[Jack Strop]

I still say that Jared needs to be dropped into a boiling tub of water, run through a ringer, and tumble dried on high heat. Daily rations of tuna on rice cakes wouldn't hurt either. That or return to his Subway diet (ohh... er... wrong Jared—silly me!). If that doesn't take 25 pounds off of him then make him spend the spring, summer, and fall as Handy's house-boy. Pav, if you're listening, what do you do to maintain your boy-ish figure? Suggestions, please.

 

[PoorManProfit]

The A10 is garbage this year. Mason has its best team in 4 years, and they cannot capitalize on it. I will agree to disagree with you. I cannot envision any mason player starting on a top five A10 team this year, let alone a competitive A10.

All truth.

 

[PoorManProfit]

Like one name that I thought about is Mark Davis. Davis was a stud.

I know many like to look back on history with rose colored glasses, but Mark Davis was definitely not a stud.

 

[dr. gunnie]

This is where I normally would argue my point for Davis, but seeing who we are dealing with - a guy who only likes to post negative comments, be negative, only comes around after losses... basically just a miserable troll, I'll pass.

 

[Falco]

Otis is a great kid and has a fantastic career, but I think using his numbers as some sort of measuring stick as to where he falls in the Mt Rushmore of Mason players is very misleading. Otis benefited from playing time that most players never get because of a coaching transition. That is no fault to him. To me, Otis is a top 20/25 player (and that's pretty frickin' good). When I hear Dave or others say he's top 5, I just don't know.

I think I can come up with close to 20 names of players that could of been top 5 scoring all time if they got the number of minutes or the shots that Otis was allowed to take because we basically didn't have anything else.

Like one name that I thought about is Mark Davis. Davis was a stud. Is Otis better than Davis? I don't know. Like I said, I can come up with lots of names - Miskiri, Herring, Dorsett, Davis, Butler, Skinn, Vaughan, Campbell, Long, Wright, Allen, Moore... I mean, Otis is in the conversation with those guys - no doubt, but I'm not sure I can say with 100% certainty that he is better than any of those guys.

or any starter on the 2010-2011 roster. (Cam long, Ryan Pearson, Luke Hancock). I mean even Cornelius and Morrison could be in the discussion if they averaged 30 mins a game for four years on a team with no offensive talent.

 

[PoorManProfit]

or any starter on the 2010-2011 roster. (Cam long, Ryan Pearson, Luke Hancock). I mean even Cornelius and Morrison could be in the discussion if they averaged 30 mins a game for four years on a team with no offensive talent.

One thing that really disappoints me about Livingston and all the playing time and touches he received is, despite being close to the ground, he was never strong with the ball.

 

[GMUgemini]

or any starter on the 2010-2011 roster. (Cam long, Ryan Pearson, Luke Hancock). I mean even Cornelius and Morrison could be in the discussion if they averaged 30 mins a game for four years on a team with no offensive talent.

I’m pretty sure Ryan Pearson was a four year starter and took a ton of shots. His stats are pretty maxed out. Pearson was a lot like Otis in that he really struggled against bigger, more athletic bigs.

Morrison was never polished enough to be in the discussion for top 10 even for all-time greats.

Can Long had a loose handle, just like Otis and made some bad decisions that cost us in some critical games.

Had Coach L and Hancock stayed, I suspect he might be in discussion for being in Mason’s Rushmore.

I think instead of questioning Otis as a player, we should ask what his senior season might have been if he had players like Cam Long, Ryan Pearson, Mike Mo, and Luke Hancock to play with.

 

[GSII]

I think instead of questioning Otis as a player, we should ask what his senior season might have been if he had players like Cam Long, Ryan Pearson, Mike Mo, and Luke Hancock to play with.

This is where lil dave failed Otis.

 

[Falco]

I’m pretty sure Ryan Pearson was a four year starter and took a ton of shots. His stats are pretty maxed out. Pearson was a lot like Otis in that he really struggled against bigger, more athletic bigs.

Morrison was never polished enough to be in the discussion for top 10 even for all-time greats.

Can Long had a loose handle, just like Otis and made some bad decisions that cost us in some critical games.

Had Coach L and Hancock stayed, I suspect he might be in discussion for being in Mason’s Rushmore.

I think instead of questioning Otis as a player, we should ask what his senior season might have been if he had players like Cam Long, Ryan Pearson, Mike Mo, and Luke Hancock to play with.

All fair points. I’m not questioning Otis’ ability. He’s a great player. And you’re absolutely right, if he had offensive weapons to play with, his assist numbers would certainly go up, but I would expect his point value to go down. You would also suspect his minutes to decrease

 

[Jack Strop]

I thought this was a Jarred Reuter thread? Jarred has some good basketball skills and IQ, and has shown them at times. However, he can stand to lose about 20 pounds to utilize his skills more effectively.

That's not a personal attack, it's an observation. It's like saying I need to grow seven inches in height, add four notches to my shoe size, and gain 30 pounds of muscle before I could apply to be a walk-on for my Mason Patriots.

Jarred dropping a couple dozen pounds is reasonable and obtainable. Taking HGH to supplement my forthcoming quinquagenarian growth spurt is not.