Game 9: College of William and Mary, Wednesday, December 6th, 7 PM, Atlantic10.com

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Don't know why Kier was in there so much when he was clearly off for the night and still struggling. You sit him and let him try and find his stroke against NC.

Wilson should of gotten his minutes and just stay on their big man the entire time.

We definitely got outcoached in the 2nd half. We know they are going to shoot the 3 non-stop.... get out and defend!
 

Jack Strop

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Was in class and didn't catch the game so maybe I'm out of line with this, but I think it's time to drop Kier and Boyd from the starting lineup for a game. Some people need a fire lit under their a**, and Kier kind of looks like one of them. He's started pretty much every game he's been here and some anger might do him some good. Even if it's the football type "out for the first series, in for the rest of the game." Just let them all know they've got to earn in day in day out.
Well, Boyd was certainly given a telegram from DP tonight, "Come out to play or sit on bench. Stop."

Kier played hard. He just needs to put his head on straight.

I wouldn't be surprised if the starting line-up for Saturday is altered a bit. But, I won't be disappointed if it's not.
 

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Nothing wrong with the defense tonight. The only thing indefensible is having these 8 players fight uphill in a downpour each game. Can we redshirt the starters & add more walk ons? Half way kidding. :)
 

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Is there a post game video? I wonder if DP took any blame.
 

Jack Strop

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Is there a post game video? I wonder if DP took any blame.
What's DP have to do? Pop a can of spinach in every player's mouth at the 10 minute mark?

Making one basket in the last 4½ minutes reeks of player fatigue. I don't think DP was was outcoached. More so out-rostered.

Post-game highlights are up on Atlantic10 network.

EDIT: Post Game Extra was up then disappeared. I swear!
 
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Falco

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What's DP have to do? Pop a can of spinach in every player's mouth at the 10 minute mark?

Making one basket in the last 4½ minutes reeks of player fatigue. I don't think DP was was outcoached. More so out-rostered.
Mar had 4 fouls with 2 minutes left. It was obvious that Mar was scared of fouling out and was basically invisible. Substitute him out for AJ.

It wasn't a problem today, but why is our shortest guy impounding the ball?

Getting out roastered at the college level is getting our coached. Why did the team all decide to play isolation basketball instead of look for the open man.

Just a total collapse.
 

Jack Strop

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Mar had 4 fouls with 2 minutes left. It was obvious that Mar was scared of fouling out and was basically invisible. Substitute him out for AJ.

It wasn't a problem today, but why is our shortest guy impounding the ball?

Getting out roastered at the college level is getting our coached. Why did the team all decide to play isolation basketball instead of look for the open man.

Just a total collapse.
Dude, take a Xanax with a shot of bourbon, go to bed, and try again tomorrow!
 

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Here was the thing with that team, they had 9 underclassmen and only the 3 upperclassmen so there was depth. We knew that team would be up and down, but the majority would be back for round 2.

This team only has 8 players. I too expect next year to be different since the same team is returning and itll be experienced. But they are going to be relying on a transfer up front and that all goes right everywhere else. Unfortunately I think the misses on Relvao, Temara, and even Newman not working out may have set this program back another year. Next year should be special, but I'm not sold that they are going to be that much better for round 2. Its early though and they suffered a bad loss so we'll see.

I'll be excited about next year when I see they are playing well next year. Until then, not sure I've even reached the cautiously optimistic stage.
 

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He gave credit to the opponent for winning the game. I’m sure that’s what you meant.

Thats right Jim, well sort of.
I was looking more for "We executed our plan in first half, they adjusted at half. We didn't counter and that's on me. Their post guy killed us. I let AJ and Greg sit BC I thought a shorter kid was better defense vs a 6'9 monster. So yea this is on me. The shitty roster management is on me too. But like I said this year is gonna be clanker, next year is our year, If I can find another big this late. Gosh where am I?? do the dew baby!!...oh yea trust the process!!"
 
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Wow I wish the feed didn't come back..... Pretty damn annoying losing to CAA teams.

I hate mason for hiring Hewitt. That really set our program back at least ten years.

I rarely go off on people on a message board, but your posts are really getting to me (and probably others).

Ten years? Were you following the program in the Paul Westhead years, and then Jim Larranaga comes here and wins the CAA tournament in year 2. George Evans is one of top players in Mason history, and had he been younger, he would have made the NBA (oh, the trivia question last night during a media timeout had him as one of the choices). Did Hewitt set Mason back, yes, no one would argue that, but Paulsen got us to 20 wins last season. No one saw that coming. No one saw Marquise getting a triple double (only player in school history to achieve that). There were games in the late 90's that wouldn't draw 2,000 people (and Colorado came to Fairfax once).

Paulsen had to get through Hewitt's recruits, institute his own system, and get new recruits. Some worked out really well, others should have stayed and left anyway, and others didn't work out. That happens at every single college sport in existence.

Man, for someone that RARELY attends games, you complain an awful lot. Have you ever attended a road game (CAA or A-10 days)? Did you ever attend the vcu Invitational (I mean, CAA tournament) at any point in time? I have gone as far as Chapel Hill (and drove back the same day) for a game, drove to Charlotte last season for the Davidson game, multiple trips to Philly, a game at Delaware on a WEEKNIGHT, and other arenas that would be too long to list. Frankly, road games are more fun, and Mason is good about planning bus/road trips on a regular basis.

You complain about prices, ever heard of a thing called inflation? If you think Mason is bad, vcu has charging what Mason is charging now for years, and they don't do tiered pricing. Be thankful that families have options for Mason tickets. Also, do you know there have been 3 and 6 game plans for over 10 years? I started off as a 6 game holder, because of the job I had at the time, I knew I could only attend certain games, so I went that route. I became a season ticket holder and the rest is history. Mason sometimes puts deal in various newspapers to boost attendance, which again, works for families. You can't complain about the drive, because frankly, you are not far. I think you are just full of excuses.

I don't think you realize you see a lot more in person than you do at home, especially when a stream goes to crap (which appeared to have happened last night after reading the game thread). The game experience is much better now, and that is an attribute to Brad Edwards. You need to put your money where you mouth is and go to games. There are plenty of weekend games, and we started a 5 game homestand last night. Tuesday is an "off" day for classes at Mason, so traffic at the arena shouldn't be that bad. No excuse.
 
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It looked to me that last night would have been a good night to have someone on the bench who could have come in and defended Knight and gotten a little physical with him. I think this is the situation that some were concerned about when we heard that we were losing Relvao, and to a lesser extent, Dixon... and I'm not saying we would have won with those guys last night by any means, but to have another option when something isn't working, instead of doing the same thing and getting beat time after time... anyway. When you only have 8 scholarship players, not a lot of options to throw at teams!
 

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W&M entered the game as the No. 1 three-point shooting team in the nation. Imagine the howls of anguish here if we had played our usual packed-in defense and they made 20 threes.

We’re simply not good enough on defense to take away the paint and the 3-point line at the same time. Dave had the guys pushed out to defend the 3 and that opened the paint for Knight. Pick your poison.
When we don't have the players to guard #13 1-1 and he goes 10-15 with all his baskets coming in the paint, we need to make some adjustments. I'm not saying go zone the entire 2nd half, but mix it up a bit. You are correct, we don't have a roster that can defend the 3 and guard the paint at the same time. But that doesn't mean we should let every big we play this year look like Wilt, Shaq or Kareem.
 

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I rarely go off on people on a message board, but your posts are really getting to me (and probably others).

Ten years? Were you following the program in the Paul Westhead years, and then Jim Larranaga comes here and wins the CAA tournament in year 2. George Evans is one of top players in Mason history, and had he been younger, he would have made the NBA (oh, the trivia question last night during a media timeout had him as one of the choices). Did Hewitt set Mason back, yes, no one would argue that, but Paulsen got us to 20 wins last season. No one saw that coming. No one saw Sherrod getting a triple double (only player in school history to achieve that). There were games in the late 90's that wouldn't draw 2,000 people (and Colorado came to Fairfax once).

Paulsen had to get through Hewitt's recruits, institute his own system, and get new recruits. Some worked out really well, others should have stayed and left anyway, and others didn't work out. That happens at every single college sport in existence.

Man, for someone that RARELY attends games, you complain an awful lot. Have you ever attended a road game (CAA or A-10 days)? Did you ever attend the vcu Invitational (I mean, CAA tournament) at any point in time? I have gone as far as Chapel Hill (and drove back the same day) for a game, drove to Charlotte last season for the Davidson game, multiple trips to Philly, a game at Delaware on a WEEKNIGHT, and other arenas that would be too long to list. Frankly, road games are more fun, and Mason is good about planning bus/road trips on a regular basis.

You complain about prices, ever heard of a thing called inflation? If you think Mason is bad, vcu has charging what Mason is charging now for years, and they don't do tiered pricing. Be thankful that families have options for Mason tickets. Also, do you know there have been 3 and 6 game plans for over 10 years? I started off as a 6 game holder, because of the job I had at the time, I knew I could only attend certain games, so I went that route. I became a season ticket holder and the rest is history. Mason sometimes puts deal in various newspapers to boost attendance, which again, works for families. You can't complain about the drive, because frankly, you are not far. I think you are just full of excuses.

I don't think you realize you see a lot more in person than you do at home, especially when a stream goes to crap (which appeared to have happened last night after reading the game thread). The game experience is much better now, and that is an attribute to Brad Edwards. You need to put your money where you mouth is and go to games. There are plenty of weekend games, and we started a 5 game homestand last night. Tuesday is an "off" day for classes at Mason, so traffic at the arena shouldn't be that bad. No excuse.

First off I could care less if I'm pissing you off. 2nd you made my point. Coach L turned the program around in 2 years. Paulsen is in his third year and the team is still struggling. So I am tired of everyone acting like he is our savior. The fact is, we have no idea of how good he is yet. I hope I'm wrong, but I think he is just another average coach. He had two really really good seniors last year and we finished in the middle of the pack. Pretty average. We are sub .500 right now, so we are below average..

Generally schools give their coaches 3 to 4 years to evaluate their coach. He has done many good things, but he has also shown many flaws. I will admit I was to emotional after the loss last night, and too dramatic. But I am losing my patients with Paulsen. I'm tired of the excuses. we are in our third year. All our issues now are Paulsen's fault. We can no longer blame Hewitt for this.

Its actually just laughable that you want to compare who is the bigger fan. You win! congrats. lets get you a trophy!

But if you want a list of road games I attended.
CAA tournament twice
UNCW just to watch them lose.
multiple JMU games

Last year was a busy year, sorry I didn't go to many games. I'm going this weekend. and the Penn State game. I'm sure Ill go to homecoming as well. But, who the heck cares...
 

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It looked to me that last night would have been a good night to have someone on the bench who could have come in and defended Knight and gotten a little physical with him. I think this is the situation that some were concerned about when we heard that we were losing Relvao, and to a lesser extent, Dixon... and I'm not saying we would have won with those guys last night by any means, but to have another option when something isn't working, instead of doing the same thing and getting beat time after time... anyway. When you only have 8 scholarship players, not a lot of options to throw at teams!

Completely agree. At the very least you can try something else. Maybe Dixon goes in and fouls 3 times in 3 minutes but maybe they get thrown off rhythm or something.

It’s may be tough wins and loss wise this year, but I’m hoping like everyone to see good basketball played and potential for next year.
 

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I do want to caution against the doom and gloom a little bit. This team lost two incredibly important starters from last season and are relying on a lot of inexperienced players.

Think of the 2009-2010 GMU team, which had just 1 senior and essentially started 2 juniors and 3 sophomores for most of the season (after Coach L finally decided to stop playing Louis Birdsong out of position). That team went 6-6 in the OOC and finished 17-15 and got blown out in a few inexplicable games (lost to Radford by 27, lost to GW by 17, lost to Northeastern by 25).

The next season pretty much the same team had the longest winning streak in the country and finished the regular season ranked 25 in the country.

Agreed - even Coach L's 2006-2007 team was basically .500 until the CAA Tourney and that was with Campbell, Monroe, Smith, Thomas, Vaughan.

Shaver is a damn good coach. DP is as well, but had a bad feeling going into this game and thought it could go either way.

I didn't get to the game until halftime so the loss is on me. Things started to go downhill once I sat down.
Sorry fellas - I will do better next time.
 

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Yet your dumb a** posted a huge reply. That means, yes, you do care.

Fair. your right, I do care. I am tired of Mason fans accepting mediocracy. I'm not saying lets do anything dramatic yet. I think you should give a coach 4 years. Most mid major coaches see the biggest jump in their 4th year.

but coaches like Kevin Keatts took over UNCW who was a bottom feeder to the tourney in his 2nd year. So it is possible.

If we lose to teams like William and Mary next year, I hope fans are ready to kick DP out the door.
 
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