Fire Dave Paulsen / Hire Tony Skinn

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It's mostly about recruiting but other things play a role too. Getting the right kids for this conference has been his biggest failure since day one and my biggest concern since he was announced coach 6 years ago. And then its becoming evident there is questionable decison making re roster management. Reuter, Millers redshirt and most recent Frazer getting 30 mins vs vcu and 10 mins next game? yea i get he is a freshman but so was Miller. Henry? He should be playing atleast 5 mins each game. Daddy? Is he a DI player? Hustle is great, but doesnt mean you should be playing DI? Pulling Nathan Knights scholly. One player finishing all four years of eligibility with DP is big concern too. There's probably more that i forgot about, however the consistent mediocore results stand out the most.
 
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It's mostly about recruiting but other things play a role too. Getting the right kids for this conference has been his biggest failure since day one and my biggest concern since he was announced coach 6 years ago. And then its becoming evident there is questionable decison making re roster management. Reuter, Millers redshirt and most recent Frazer getting 30 mins vs vcu and 10 mins next game? yea i get he is a freshman but so was Miller. Henry? He should be playing atleast 5 mins each game. Daddy? Is he a DI player? Hustle is great, but doesnt mean you should be playing DI? Pulling Nathan Knights scholly. One player finishing all four years of eligibility with DP is big concern too. There's probably more that i forgot about, however the consistent mediocore results stand out the most.
Remind me again, who is Nathan Knight?
 

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Extending Paulsen for finishing 6th in what looks to be a 1 bid league (after 5 seasons of never sniffing an NIT berth) will tell me all I need to know about Edwards and Washington.

Either you are committed to winning championships and competing for NCAA bids or you aren’t. Anyone here that truly believes Paulsen is the guy to take us there, raise your hand.

Well when DP wins 2 games in the A10 tourney...(beating the PIG winner and upsetting Davidson)...their hands are tied.

He gets another year extension unfortunately. Hell he may not have to beat Davidson.

We can all thank COVID and Milleson for causing this...
 

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Well when DP wins 2 games in the A10 tourney...(beating the PIG winner and upsetting Davidson)...their hands are tied.

He gets another year extension unfortunately. Hell he may not have to beat Davidson.

We can all thank COVID and Milleson for causing this...
Not a perfect match to their situation at the time, but, I am starting to get a little bit of a JMU/Matt Brady feeling when, if I recall correctly, they lame ducked Brady, and because of a shake up in the CAA, he managed to win the CAA tournament and went to the the NCAA tournament and JMU was sort of forced to extend him when they had obviously planned to get rid of Brady and were stuck with him for 3 more years.
 
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Well when DP wins 2 games in the A10 tourney...(beating the PIG winner and upsetting Davidson)...their hands are tied.

He gets another year extension unfortunately. Hell he may not have to beat Davidson.

We can all thank COVID and Milleson for causing this...
Oh, if we are doling out blame, I blame people that refused to root for us to lose. It is all your fault! ;)
 

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Way too much panic here fellas.

1) Everything I have heard is that even with placing 6th in the A10, its fools gold. Nobody thinks 6th is good when with the most experienced team they aren't close to an NCAA or even NIT bid. Not once have I ever heard a defending tone of "this is good enough for us" or "we are getting there" out of people who have been closer to someone than me.
2) Even if placing 6th like I said, Mason beat Umass (by 1 point in 2ot) and vcu (by 3 in OT). They didn't even beat anyone else in the top 5. Bonaventure blew Mason out. In addition, they didnt beat anyone 7-10 which includes being blown out by Richmond and URI. Obviously this is because of COVID scheduling, but the A10 treated Mason like they are which is a completely irrelevant program in the league and just sorta along for the ride (at least now). Yes the team has improved, but beating up the bottom tier schools doesn't warrant an extension at this level. We aren't a CAA school anymore.
3) If by some miracle and act of god that Dave makes it to Saturday, then yes he is going to most likely be extended. He would have then ended the season on an incredible improvement, not only beating up the bottom feeders but also finding a way to achieve a new height that he hasn't made. It would probably be a 1 year extension to give him some wiggle room. The odds of this happening are probably less than 2% because winning 2 games in 2 days is hard. Even with the "depth" Mason has, they'll be going up against a fresh Davidson team. That would take a downright miracle.
4) Brad has a new boss, he has to be 110% sure Dave can get it done because he is up for evaluation. You don't have to like Brad, but once again I haven't heard an ounce of "this is good enough" from his vicinity. He knows Mason isn't in the CAA and that we haven't been competitive in the league within the Top 4 etc.

I'm waiting to see how this plays out, but I fully expect that the season will be over by Friday, and it will be "Brad's move" from there.
 
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Way too much panic here fellas.

1) Everything I have heard is that even with placing 6th in the A10, its fools gold. Nobody thinks 6th is good when with the most experienced team they aren't close to an NCAA or even NIT bid. Not once have I ever heard a defending tone of "this is good enough for us" or "we are getting there" out of people who have been closer to someone than me.
2) Even if placing 6th like I said, Mason beat Umass (by 1 point in 2ot) and vcu (by 3 in OT). They didn't even beat anyone else in the top 5. Bonaventure blew Mason out. In addition, they didnt beat anyone 7-10 which includes beating blown out by Richmond and URI. Obviously this is because of COVID scheduling, but the A10 treated Mason like they are which is a completely irrelevant program in the league and just sorta along for the ride (at least now). Yes the team has improved, but beating up the bottom tier schools doesn't warrant an extension at this level. We aren't a CAA school anymore.
3) If by some miracle and act of god that Dave makes it to Saturday, then yes he is going to most likely be extended. He would have then ended the season on an incredible improvement, not only beating up the bottom feeders but also finding a way to achieve a new height that he hasn't made. It would probably be a 1 year extension to give him some wiggle room. The odds of this happening are probably less than 2% because winning 2 games in 2 days is hard. Even with the "depth" Mason has, they'll be going up against a fresh Davidson team. That would take a downright miracle.
4) Brad has a new boss, he has to be 110% sure Dave can get it done because he is up for evaluation. You don't have to like Brad, but once again I haven't heard an ounce of "this is good enough" from his vicinity. He knows Mason isn't in the CAA and that we haven't been competitive in the league within the Top 4 etc.

I'm waiting to see how this plays out, but I fully expect that the season will be over by Friday, and it will be "Brad's move" from there.
6 years later and we have:
0 NCAA appearances
0 NIT appearances
0 top four A10 finishes
0 A1o tourney semifinal appearances
A 47 - 57 regular season A10 record
A pedestrian 94-90 overall record thanks to MANY OOC cupcake wins
 

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Yes. I do too. Davidson is beatable but they are the kind of disciplined team with shooters and a game changing athlete that gives Mason fits.
 

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It's mostly about recruiting but other things play a role too. Getting the right kids for this conference has been his biggest failure since day one and my biggest concern since he was announced coach 6 years ago. And then its becoming evident there is questionable decison making re roster management. Reuter, Millers redshirt and most recent Frazer getting 30 mins vs vcu and 10 mins next game? yea i get he is a freshman but so was Miller. Henry? He should be playing atleast 5 mins each game. Daddy? Is he a DI player? Hustle is great, but doesnt mean you should be playing DI? Pulling Nathan Knights scholly. One player finishing all four years of eligibility with DP is big concern too. There's probably more that i forgot about, however the consistent mediocore results stand out the most.
For me, while you are dead on with every point, the biggest issue is our lack of any identity. This isn't just about fan boredom (although that DOES matter), it's that good teams have a style that other teams have to game plan for. A college basketball game is a chess match, and the winner is the one that forces the other to adapt to their game plan.

Our games never seem to go that way. I fully accept I could be dead wrong, but to my eye... We are individual athletes playing disorganized ball, like under Hewitt. We win when our guys have a good day, we lose when they don't. It never seems to be, "Is [opponent] going to lure Mason into a slow, methodical game like they prefer, or is Mason going to force [opponent] to adapt to their up tempo style?" Or, "The question here is whether [opponent] can limit turnovers against Mason's relentless trapping defense." Or whatever. No, it's just, "[opponent] has a strong identity, or a specific strength, or an Achilles heel. Can Mason score enough to beat them?"

I watch almost every game on TV. The commentators always have a lot to say about the other team's style, plan, coaching. You can actually hear them searching for something to say about us.

Maybe this is just basketball now, and I'm just a grumpy old man. I liked 35-second, back to the basket, inside out, 5 position basketball. Maybe I just don't follow enough college ball to realize my beef js not with Mason/Paulsen but with the evolution of the sport. But my eye says this:

We play a style that is reliant on out- hustling, out-working, and out-athleting the opponent. But we do not attract good enough athletes to pull it off. So we have moderate success because sometimes it all clicks, but more often than not because there are other shitty teams to beat. Paulsen has a record right around .500, but look how much of that has to do with creative scheduling (or in this year's conference slate, lucky scheduling). I would rather have years in the top 3 and other years in the bottom 3 than continue to place in the 5-9 range, never sniff post-season, and get all excited about ONE good win a year.

If we missed the boat on being vcu, Gonzaga, etc., and have consistent success, I'd rather make the NCAAs every couple of years, win a game every couple of trips, and spend a couple bad years rebuilding in between. At least then we'd have hope.
 

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6 years later and we have:
0 NCAA appearances
0 NIT appearances
0 top four A10 finishes
0 A1o tourney semifinal appearances
A 47 - 57 regular season A10 record
A pedestrian 94-90 overall record thanks to MANY OOC cupcake wins

Exactly. These facts added to what I said just doesn't add up to "give more time" to an A10 program. If we were in the CAA it would be a MUCH tougher case, but Mason joined so that they could be involved with more NCAA (and NIT) bids, not just be along for the ride.

The only caveat is that if Dave makes it to Saturday he would have made something new this year and finishing with a significant improvement. To me it would still be fools gold but I could see that being enough for 1 extra year.

I expect that by this time next week we'll be discussing the coaching rumor mill.

Also by no means is what I am saying/have been saying thumping my chest and claiming this is 100% what would happen. Just the vibe and what I have been hearing.
 
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https://atlantic10.com/sports/2021/2/25/CHAMP_0225215649.aspx

The school never really gives anyone access to this kinda stuff, and doesn’t even post the interviews after games anymore (which is kinda annoying and defeats the point if you ask me), but the league is opening it up for post game interview questions from fans for coaches and players and will post the interviews after. Doubtful they still let any tough questions through screening but who knows, might get some better access than we’ve had this year through this.

“Dave, on a scale of 1-10 how warm does your seat feel?”
 

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Exactly. These facts added to what I said just doesn't add up to "give more time" to an A10 program. If we were in the CAA it would be a MUCH tougher case, but Mason joined so that they could be involved with more NCAA (and NIT) bids, not just be along for the ride.

The only caveat is that if Dave makes it to Saturday he would have made something new this year and finishing with a significant improvement. To me it would still be fools gold but I could see that being enough for 1 extra year.

I expect that by this time next week we'll be discussing the coaching rumor mill.
If he makes it to Saturday, then he can go out on a high note.

Another thing to consider; which may not end up being the case, is that some programs may not be willing to let their coach go this offseason because of revenue concerns, so if we are searching for a coach, we may not have to compete with as many programs. Additionally, if we go try to poach someone, their current school may not have the cash to try to keep them with a raise.

Someone posted on Twitter a day or 2 ago that half the league is going to go into next season with their coach on varying levels of a hot seat, I’d rather not have to compete with a bunch of teams.
 
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If he makes it to Saturday, then he can go out on a high note.

Another thing to consider; which may not end up being the case, is that some programs may not being willing to let their coach go this offseason because of revenue concerns, so if we are searching for a coach, we may not have to compete with as many programs. Additionally, if we go try to poach someone, their current school may not have the cash to try to keep them with a raise.

Someone posted on Twitter a day or 2 ago that half the league is going to go into next season with their coach on varying levels of a hot seat, I’d rather not have to compete with a bunch of teams.

Fair points. I mean there is always competition, but to get ahead of other potential programs in the same league is always a good thing especially considering some of the wallets other schools have.

I just don't see Dave continuing at Mason hell or high water pending some miracle. Even the miracle could be fools gold because knowing this team it would be a 1 point buzzer beater win in overtime on Friday.
 

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Someone posted on Twitter a day or 2 ago that half the league is going to go into next season with their coach on varying levels of a hot seat, I’d rather not have to compete with a bunch of teams.

I'd be surprised if it's that many. If Paulsen isn't let go it's, what: Cox, Howard, Paulsen, Lange? You might make a case for Christian, but this is only his second season there, think he still has some leash. Fordham already fired their coach and there's no way the interim sticks around. Rhoades, Grant, McKillops, Schmidt are as safe as safe can be. McCall, Mooney, Ford, Dambrot still have some leash.

What you might not consider is maybe a few of the coaches leave for other jobs in the next two years (Schmidt, Rhoades, Grant probably your leading candidates to jump to a P6).
 

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It would probably be a 1 year extension to give him some wiggle room. The odds of this happening are probably less than 2% because winning 2 games in 2 days is hard.

I just don't see Dave continuing at Mason hell or high water pending some miracle. Even the miracle could be fools gold because knowing this team it would be a 1 point buzzer beater win in overtime on Friday.

I'm not a Dave Paulsen fan, but I don't understand why you are being so negative.
 

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I'd be surprised if it's that many. If Paulsen isn't let go it's, what: Cox, Howard, Paulsen, Lange? You might make a case for Christian, but this is only his second season there, think he still has some leash. Fordham already fired their coach and there's no way the interim sticks around. Rhoades, Grant, McKillops, Schmidt are as safe as safe can be. McCall, Mooney, Ford, Dambrot still have some leash.

What you might not consider is maybe a few of the coaches leave for other jobs in the next two years (Schmidt, Rhoades, Grant probably your leading candidates to jump to a P6).

McCall is in Year 4 and has even less to show for it than DP. His seat will be red hot next year assuming they miss the tournament again.
 

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McCall is in Year 4 and has even less to show for it than DP. His seat will be red hot next year assuming they miss the tournament again.

Yeah- at this point all he has is the type of recruiting hes been able to pull off with Bergeron on his staff. Other than that, the play on the court hasn't improved that much.

Expectations at Umass have to be even loftier than Mason.
 
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