Dave Paulsen

[GMUgemini]

I’m not quite sure how you got to that conclusion of my post. I’ve re read it three times and can’t figure out what you are interpreting wrong

Shall we dig through all the posts where you call Paulsen trash, and the vast majority of our roster (outside of AJ, maybe) trash?

 

[sleeperpick]

Shall we dig through all the posts where you call Paulsen trash, and the vast majority of our roster (outside of AJ, maybe) trash?

No that part is definitely true. I just never said patriot league was better than a10 and easier to get recruits there lol. I’m getting it on my computer in a minute and will dumb it down for you really far so you understand just how shitty we have been against good teams in paulsens tenure.

If you don’t understand that getting 10 wins over the bottom 6 teams in the league each year (hyperbole but mostly true as you will see) and losing to the only good teams in the conference is not a testament to calling paulsen a good leader of our program than we just aren’t ever going to understand each other

 

[GMUgemini]

No that part is definitely true. I just never said patriot league was better than a10 and easier to get recruits there lol. I’m getting it on my computer in a minute and will dumb it down for you really far so you understand just how shitty we have been against good teams in paulsens tenure.

If you don’t understand that getting 10 wins over the bottom 6 teams in the league each year (hyperbole but mostly true as you will see) and losing to the only good teams in the conference is not a testament to calling paulsen a good leader of our program than we just aren’t ever going to understand each other

I already know the record against the top 4 teams the last two years:

St. Bonaventure 1-3
Davidson 0-2
URI 1-2
Dayton 2-0
vcu 1-4

You want to compare that to the previous two years and tell me if you think we've gotten better, stayed the same, or gotten worse?

Note: URI dropped out of the top 4, vcu re-entered the top four after finishing outside last year.

 

[GMUgemini]

And interestingly enough, St. Bonaventure finished top 4 over us without a single win against vcu, Davidson, or Dayton.

 

[sleeperpick]

It is not fair to count the first two years of Dave Paulsen against him... I can add those later if you really would like

17-18' Mason overall: 16-17 9-9 in conference play
record vs teams >.500=2-13 (not great...)
record vs teams <or=.500= 14-4 (great beat the bad teams)
record vs top echelon A10 teams (Davidson, vcu, Bona, Dayton, URI):2-4 (Dayton and vcu first year of new coach)

18-19' Mason overall: 18-15 11-7 in conference play
record vs teams >.500=4-13 (really not great especially with how weak the league was and one of these wins is damn NC Central)
record vs teams .500> or =14-2
record vs top echelon A10 teams (Davidson, vcu, Bona, Dayton, URI): 3-5 (URI first year of new coach)

just unacceptable to me

Dave Paulsen cannot beat good teams consistently... Dayton was a great win... first Bona win this year was the first time Bona had all starters playing in a game (they beat us twice after getting accustomed to their team)

 

[GSII]

Dp cant beat them in recruiting either. Might as well get used to being George Medicore University.

 

[Falco]

Name one

1. Academics.
2. Resources to compete at the top of the league.

 

[GMUgemini]

1. Academics.
2. Resources to compete at the top of the league.

Bucknell is a good school, but it’s a liberal arts school and Mason is a research 1 institution. They aren’t the same thing. That’s not necessarily an advantage Bucknell (in other words, not the same thing as a recruit choosing W&M or an Ivy for their academics over us).

As it relates to competing at the top of the conference, sure, but one loss in March means good-bye NCAA (see: this season as an example). So who cares? It’s this precise reason that Davidson moved up (Steph Curry’s post-Elite Eight season really stuck with McKillops for a long time.

As for not beating good teams consistently, this is true, but we haven’t had a complete team yet. This year we thought we did, but Otis regressed, Mar massively regressed, Grayer was either hurt or didn’t want to be here anymore, and Reuter turned out to be not the player we thought he was. Then Boyd hurts his shooting wrist in the middle of the reason right when we were figuring things out. Result: some losses we really shouldn’t have had.

Even though next season is going to be tough in a tougher A10, especially without Otis, if no one critical leaves and we don’t have any major injuries, I actually think we will finally have a consistent team. Will that mean winning the A10? Probably not. But I bet we finish with a better RPI next year.

 

[Falco]

Bucknell is a good school, but it’s a liberal arts school and Mason is a research 1 institution. They aren’t the same thing. That’s not necessarily an advantage Bucknell (in other words, not the same thing as a recruit choosing W&M or an Ivy for their academics over us).

As it relates to competing at the top of the conference, sure, but one loss in March means good-bye NCAA (see: this season as an example). So who cares? It’s this precise reason that Davidson moved up (Steph Curry’s post-Elite Eight season really stuck with McKillops for a long time.

As for not beating good teams consistently, this is true, but we haven’t had a complete team yet. This year we thought we did, but Otis regressed, Mar massively regressed, Grayer was either hurt or didn’t want to be here anymore, and Reuter turned out to be not the player we thought he was. Then Boyd hurts his shooting wrist in the middle of the reason right when we were figuring things out. Result: some losses we really shouldn’t have had.

Even though next season is going to be tough in a tougher A10, especially without Otis, if no one critical leaves and we don’t have any major injuries, I actually think we will finally have a consistent team. Will that mean winning the A10? Probably not. But I bet we finish with a better RPI next year.

Bucknell’s acceptance rate: 25%
Mason’s acceptance rate: 79%

Bucknell is for students who get turned down by Ivy League schools.

Anyways, I’ll just say they both have their own advantages/disadvantages. But my larger point is that Mason fans should evaluate DP on his ability to make Mason succeed. So far his best season is a first round loss in the CBI with Hewitt’s recruits.

 

[Herndon]

Bucknell’s acceptance rate: 25%
Mason’s acceptance rate: 79%

Bucknell is for students who get turned down by Ivy League schools.

Anyways, I’ll just say they both have their own advantages/disadvantages. But my larger point is that Mason fans should evaluate DP on his ability to make Mason succeed. So far his best season is a first round loss in the CBI with Hewitt’s recruits.

No, this season was his best season, by quite a bit

 

[sleeperpick]

No, this season was his best season, by quite a bit

11 wins in a down A10 is DPs best?

 

[Falco]

No, this season was his best season, by quite a bit

Lol, thanks for proving my point.

 

[GMUgemini]

Lol, thanks for proving my point.

Exactly what point is that? Until this past season, Paulsen has exceeded expectations (outside expectations, not our lofty ones on here).

We haven’t gotten to the promised land, which is frustrating because we had to suffer through the four year deterioration of the program prior to his arrival on top of it. But we have gotten better. Our freshman and sophomores (our sophomores and juniors next year) I think will prove to be better than some in here currently value them (Greene, Miller, Mar, Calixte, Hartwell — hopefully we will add AJ to that list). I’m pretty excited for Xavier Johnson, cautiously hopefully about Daddy Haidas, and hope Josh Oduro develops eventually into an effective big (which means he is probably going to be the best of the bunch because we’ve discounted him and crapped all over him).

Who knows what next season will be like? There are a lot of shrinking violets out there because too many of you think our players can’t get stronger/bigger or improve their weaknesses in the offseason. Yeah, the rest of the league was pretty young (although surprise, surprise, the team led by three seniors won the whole thing), but so were we it turns out.

 

[Falco]

Exactly what point is that? Until this past season, Paulsen has exceeded expectations (outside expectations, not our lofty ones on here).

We haven’t gotten to the promised land, which is frustrating because we had to suffer through the four year deterioration of the program prior to his arrival on top of it. But we have gotten better. Our freshman and sophomores (our sophomores and juniors next year) I think will prove to be better than some in here currently value them (Greene, Miller, Mar, Calixte, Hartwell — hopefully we will add AJ to that list). I’m pretty excited for Xavier Johnson, cautiously hopefully about Daddy Haidas, and hope Josh Oduro develops eventually into an effective big (which means he is probably going to be the best of the bunch because we’ve discounted him and crapped all over him).

Who knows what next season will be like? There are a lot of shrinking violets out there because too many of you think our players can’t get stronger/bigger or improve their weaknesses in the offseason. Yeah, the rest of the league was pretty young (although surprise, surprise, the team led by three seniors won the whole thing), but so were we it turns out.

My larger point is that Mason fans should evaluate DP on his ability to make Mason succeed. So far his best season is a first round loss in the CBI with Hewitt’s recruits, or 11 wins in a down A10.

 

[GMUgemini]

I would say he has improved the program overall, but year five is a really critical year to show he can put together a full season, even if that doesn’t mean winning the conference or being an at-large team. A lot of pressure on Kier and Boyd to do better than Otis and Grayer.

 

[gmujim92]

Lol, thanks for proving my point.

LOL, like there’s a point to ANYTHING you have posted on this board.

LOL, like you’d recognize it if there actually was a point to anything you had posted.

LOL to anyone who thinks you post here to do anything other than troll.

 

[Herndon]

My larger point is that Mason fans should evaluate DP on his ability to make Mason succeed. So far his best season is a first round loss in the CBI with Hewitt’s recruits, or 11 wins in a down A10.

I think it's important to differentiate between absolute success and relative succes, and also to define what constitutes success.

To me, year-to-year improvement is relative success, and as long as the team is making year to year improvement, I have exactly zero issues with what's going on.

We don't know that we have topped out yet. the only evidence we have shows continuous, incremental improvement over a four-year period.

Once we stop improving, then I think we can have a discussion about what an appropriate level of expectations looks like, and what constitutes "good enough". Until such time, though, I think we have to wait for dinner to cook. Let's judge the meal when we see it on the table.

 

[sleeperpick]

I think it's important to differentiate between absolute success and relative succes, and also to define what constitutes success.

To me, year-to-year improvement is relative success, and as long as the team is making year to year improvement, I have exactly zero issues with what's going on.

We don't know that we have topped out yet. the only evidence we have shows continuous, incremental improvement over a four-year period.

Once we stop improving, then I think we can have a discussion about what an appropriate level of expectations looks like, and what constitutes "good enough". Until such time, though, I think we have to wait for dinner to cook. Let's judge the meal when we see it on the table.

6-26 vs teams that finish over .500 the past two years....... that is NOT good.... thankfully we play a mid major schedule with GW and Richmond 2 times a year and a really weak OOC schedule that we still can't manage to dominate the bad teams or sneak in a few wins against the good... come on man

 

[Herndon]

11 wins in a down A10 is DPs best?

So far, yes.

 

[Herndon]

6-26 vs teams that finish over .500 the past two years....... that is NOT good.... thankfully we play a mid major schedule with GW and Richmond 2 times a year and a really weak OOC schedule that we still can't manage to dominate the bad teams or sneak in a few wins against the good... come on man

So, you seem to be saying that we dominate the bad teams (because we have a winning record the last two years, so if we're being dominated by the teams above 500, then we must by the virtue of simple arithmetic be doing very well against the rest) and lose to the good teams.

Do you know what that makes us? A middle-of-the-road program.

Well, that's what we are right now. We're a middle of the road program.

Considering where we were (a crappy program that didn't look like it belonged in its league), that's improvement.

As I said before, if we top out at a middle-of-the-road program, we can have a discussion about whether that is good enough, given all the factors at play.

Until we know where we have topped out, though, it feels premature, and a little bit silly to be whining.