A10 Conference Tournament Brackets

[Washingtonian]

Couldn't we still be the 8th seed?

If we end up tied with GW and LaSalle, GW would be 6th (they are 2-1 vs us and LaSalle), LaSalle would be 7th (they are 1-1 vs us and GW), and we would be 8th (we are 1-2 vs LaSalle and GW).

Am I missing something?

Yup:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Wright_/status/837193284111958016

 

[GMUgemini]

Couldn't we still be the 8th seed?

If we end up tied with GW and LaSalle, GW would be 6th (they are 2-1 vs us and LaSalle), LaSalle would be 7th (they are 1-1 vs us and GW), and we would be 8th (we are 1-2 vs LaSalle and GW).

Am I missing something?

Head-to-head is number 1 tiebreaker.

 

[dr. gunnie]

Head-to-head is number 1 tiebreaker.

Not if three or more teams are tied.

 

[dr. gunnie]

Yup:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Wright_/status/837193284111958016

Can't view twitter at work.

 

[GMUgemini]

Not if three or more teams are tied.

Well, beat vcu on Saturday and not worry about it?

Also, it's entirely possible you'd have to bring Davidson into that mix as well (also sitting at 8-9 right now.

Davidson plays @URI
La Salle plays Fordham
GW plays Dayton
GMU plays @vcu

 

[joeschmoe459]

By my understanding, we would still be 7th. In that scenario, yes, GW at 2-1, La Salle at 1-1 and Mason at 1-2, which breaks the three way tie with GW at the 6 seed.

Once the three way tie is broken though, it's once again a 2 way tie, where head to head takes precedent. Mason beat La Salle, therefore they hold tiebreaker in that scenario

 

[GMUgemini]

By my understanding, we would still be 7th. In that scenario, yes, GW at 2-1, La Salle at 1-1 and Mason at 1-2 breaks the three way tie with GW at the 6 seed.

Once the three way tie is broken though, it's once again a 2 way tie, where head to head takes precedent. Mason beat La Salle, therefore they hold tiebreaker in that scenario

Yep, that is the rule (good catch):

Three or More-Team Tie

1. Head-to-head competition.

a. Use each team’s record against the tied teams as a group rather than performance
against individual teams. When comparing records against a group of teams, the higher
winning percentage will prevail. In case of tied percentages vs. the team or group of
1.000 or .000, the following shall apply: 2-0 is better than 1-0; 0-1 is better than 0-2.

2. If the above results in two teams remaining, the two-team tiebreaker is used.

 

[dr. gunnie]

That's great news. I want to stay away from Dayton if we are lucky enough to win the first one.

 

[Vurbel]

I want to play vcu. We're already batting .000 against them in the postseason, so if we win it's big time. We have nothing to lose.

 

[Falco]

Couldn't we still be the 8th seed?

If we end up tied with GW and LaSalle, GW would be 6th (they are 2-1 vs us and LaSalle), LaSalle would be 7th (they are 1-1 vs us and GW), and we would be 8th (we are 1-2 vs LaSalle and GW).

Am I missing something?

I see what you are saying. But I think the 6th goes to GW first because they have the best head to head record out of the three. Then Mason gets the 7th seed because we beat LaSalle head to head.

 

[Vurbel]

I see what you are saying. But I think the 6th goes to GW first because they have the best head to head record out of the three. Then Mason gets the 7th seed because we beat LaSalle head to head.

I say we just win Saturday and be done with it!

 

[joeschmoe459]

Alright, just to clarify all of this because that chart is confusing me to, I'm gonna try to simplify everything:

There are 4 multiple team tiebreaker scenarios that I can find at the moment.

1. St Bonaventure, Mason, and GW finish 10-8

2. Mason, GW and La Salle finish 9-9

3. Mason, GW and Davidson finish 9-9

4. Mason, GW, La Salle and Davidson 9-9


In scenario 1, the seeding would be: 5 - GW 6 - St Bonaventure 7 - Mason

In scenario 2, the seeding would be: 6 - GW 7 - Mason 8 - La Salle

In scenario 3, the seeding would be: 6 - GW 7 - Mason 8 - Davidson

And in scenario 4, the seeding would be: 6 - GW 7 - Mason 8- La Salle 9 - Davidson



So pretty much, the only scenario that really results in Mason getting screwed if they win on Saturday is if Bonaventure loses to UMass AND GW beats Dayton

EDIT: whoops, scenario 1 is for 5-6-7, not 6-7-8

 

[joeschmoe459]

For what it's worth, Mason also owns the tiebreaker in a 9-9 with Davidson and La Salle scenario seeing as they beat both of them, but that situation would only arise if GW also won their game, so Mason would still be in the 7th seed

 

[sleeperpick]

As much as we've owned Richmond, beating anyone three times in a year is difficult. I'd take URI though. Ultimately if we make the quarters and put in a respectable showing I'll be thrilled. Depending on how we play Saturday I wouldn't mind a chance to knock vcu out in Pitt.

URI is much better than Richmond so I am not sure why you would want to play them. They match up way too well with us and are better than us by quite a bit

 

[JBiggs]

URI is much better than Richmond so I am not sure why you would want to play them. They match up way too well with us and are better than us by quite a bit

And they're peaking right now, especially on the defensive end. During their current 4-game win streak that started against us, we're the only team that has scored 60 or more points (74). They held La Salle to 56, vcu to 59, and St. Joes to 49. Not a team I could see us beating in Pittsburgh.

 

[MasonSAE4]

URI is much better than Richmond so I am not sure why you would want to play them. They match up way too well with us and are better than us by quite a bit

Not really based on logic as much as feeling. Beating a team with a POY candidate three times this year seems like an ask. URI is miles ahead of us defensively, but we almost won that one after shooting like shit in the first half all while they were knocking down everything they put up. URI also seems way more prone to lay a complete deuce than Richmond does.

 

[twisted3829]

Here are the seed possibilities for George Mason

George Mason
6 seed if win and GW loss
7 seed if GW win
7 seed if loss and GW loss and La Salle loss
8 seed if loss and GW loss and La Salle win

full list for all teams is here: http://www.basketballforum.com/atla...urnament-seed-possibilities.html#post14837218

 

[GSII]

is dayton gonna play their normal guys since the game means zero to them?

 

[GMUSig03]

Ughhhh, so confusing. Considering LaSalle over Fordham, vcu over us and Dayton over GW will be the favorites, that then means the 8 seed is the likely outcome at this point (if basketballforum.com is correct).

F it, let's just beat vcu and nab the 6 seed

 

[dr. gunnie]

Get the 6 seed and we can still grasp for a NIT bid... maybe.