2020 A10 Transfer List

[sleeperpick]

One caveat, the teams who hit the transfer market hard also had a ton of transfers OUT. Davidson didn’t lose anyone. We lost JDS and that’s it (can’t count Kier).

Previous years, I’d say we made mistakes for not filling out the roster with transfers, but I don’t know if this is that year (especially if Otis Frazier, who we landed after JDS transferred, turns out to be a good one for us).

Did you ever think that no other team in equal or better conferences truly wants 50% of our players? That might hurt some feelings... AJ and Kier and MAYBE Jordan are the only three that a team in an equal or better conference would want to poach. So yea, it would be a problem if we had 5 kids each year that are poachable but even then your logic isn't completely there. Please name some of the kids in the A10 you are talking about? or are you just talking per usual?

 

[gmujim92]

Lol you can say the same thing about recruiting 2 star kids. The point is it is working at some level for almost every team at our level. Except for us, for some reason.

It’s obviously not an exact science, but coaches typically invest 18-24 months into recruiting HS players. You have time to get to know a kid and get a sense whether he’ll fit your culture — unlike the transfer process, which is basically speed dating on steroids.

Recruiting 4-year players also gives you time to allow for growth and development. Because most guys transfer after their sophomore year, you get 2 years and if an incoming transfer doesn’t mesh right away with your returning players, it can totally screw up your chemistry.

I’m not oblivious to the fact that some schools have had great success with transfers, but the downside risk is not at all the same as recruiting a 4-year player.

 

[GMUgemini]

because it wouldn't be convenient to the narrative...

Has nothing to do with narrative. He was a senior and was supposed to graduate...got hurt twice and grad transferred out...not the same as a sophomore or junior transferring, especially when you're talking about big-time contributors who you were expecting to start or contribute a ton of minutes next year. I did forget Mar, but he's been largely forgettable for the last two years, unfortunately.

Some of the other teams you mentioned also lose guys early to the NBA (Memphis, Cincy, Gonzaga, Houston) so reloading with transfers, especially when you can take your pick, makes sense.

The narrative I'm laying down is URI has a crapton of transfers on their team because they had a crapton of roster turnover (imagine what that team looks like if the NCAA didn't become Christmas this year). as do several other teams in the A-10. When we had a bunch of roster turnover and a short roster, most of us were saying why aren't we getting transfers on this team?

Also, having players take two to three years to develop isn't a big problem when you can retain your best players and have continuity on the roster anyway...that's going to become much harder. Paulsen is going to have to change his recruiting philosophy if the transfer rules comes into effect, no doubt.

 

[FreeGunston12]

A-10 Transfers IN List (overall on current roster)
Davidson: 0
Dayton: 5 (starters 2/3)
Duquesne: 3 (starters 2/3)
Fordham: 1 JUCO (starters 1)
GMU: 0
GW: 6 (starters 3)
Lasalle: 2 (starters 2)
UMASS: 3 (starters 2/3)
Rhode Island: 7 (starters 3)
Richmond: 2 (starters 1)
St Joe's: 5 (starters 3)
St Louis: 3 (starters 2 if Okoro gets eligible)
Bona: 4 (starters 1)
vcu: 4 (starters 1)


If this list isn't telling you Paulsen isn't right for the job in the A10 I am not sure what will.... Unless you have a legendary HOF coach in McKillop every one of our peers hits the transfer market hard... both taking P5 retreads as well as high scorers from lower conferences.. Keep up with the times or you get left behind...

If you actually account for transfers in due to filling rosters after coaching changes and subsequent players leaving (RI,GW,SJ, etc.), there actually dont seem to be as many in the A-10 as one might think.

Edit: Fun fact, of active A-10 coaches, DP is tied for 4th longest stint as head coach.

So food for thought- The other 4 keeping him company at Davidson, Fordham, Richmond, and St Bonn number of transfers are 0, 1, 2, and 4 respectively.

 

[GMUgemini]

Did you ever think that no other team in equal or better conferences truly wants 50% of our players? That might hurt some feelings... AJ and Kier and MAYBE Jordan are the only three that a team in an equal or better conference would want to poach. So yea, it would be a problem if we had 5 kids each year that are poachable but even then your logic isn't completely there. Please name some of the kids in the A10 you are talking about? or are you just talking per usual?

Only 20% of transfers in basketball transfer UP a level. Most of the transfers you want us to get from other A-10 teams are transferring DOWN to the A-10 from P5 teams.

 

[sleeperpick]

If you actually account for transfers in due to filling rosters after coaching changes and subsequent players leaving (RI,GW,SJ, etc.), there actually dont seem to be as many in the A-10 as one might think.

Paulsen didn't even do that with us because he is so against it or can't do it pick your poison... that is a fair point though although I would take Daly, Clifton Moore, Bishop, Lindo Jr, Moyer, Malik Martin, Antwan Walker, Jalen Carey, good Mitchell twin, etc over any random 2 star with Mt St Mary's and Towson as their only other offers... plus some of those guys were holdovers from the past coach anyway or like in many Rhode Island players from DMV Cox was already their recruiter and contact. Daly was already on Joe's too.

What Jamion Christian has been able to do with literally one good player on the team when he got there has been damn amazing... may not be in wins and losses yet but they are coming..

people forget Marko, Jalen Jenkins, Shevon and Marquise stayed for DP... he inherited better teams than any of these guys not named David Cox and has mostly squandered it since.

 

[sleeperpick]

Only 20% of transfers in basketball transfer UP a level. Most of the transfers you want us to get from other A-10 teams are transferring DOWN to the A-10 from P5 teams.

I am not sure that even answers my question and I am kind of confused... Daly and Francis are two that come to mind. BYU's entire team seems to come from Utah Valley. JUCO's are certainly transferring up and there are plenty of them out there like Shevon that Paulsen doesn't even look at... lot of JUCO's in American and WCC, some in A10 but not the most

 

[sleeperpick]

Only 20% of transfers in basketball transfer UP a level. Most of the transfers you want us to get from other A-10 teams are transferring DOWN to the A-10 from P5 teams.

re-read it twice and now I get it.. not sure if your numbers are correct but we absolutely have plenty of Paulsen recruits that have transferred down over his tenure. many because they aren't good enough to play in the A-10 couple more that probably aren't good enough to play D1... couple more on this years roster that should be playing NEC equivalent.... grad transferring up is more common than you are thinking right now. good ole American boy Gasperini will be playing big man for UMASS this year off the top of my head... we need a big and he lived down the street from us... must be nice

 

[gmujim92]

people forget Marko, Jalen Jenkins, Shevon and Marquise stayed for DP... he inherited better teams than any of these guys not named David Cox and has mostly squandered it since.

Elle Oh Elle

 

[FreeGunston12]

Paulsen didn't even do that with us because he is so against it or can't do it pick your poison... that is a fair point though although I would take Daly, Clifton Moore, Bishop, Lindo Jr, Moyer, Malik Martin, Antwan Walker, Jalen Carey, good Mitchell twin, etc over any random 2 star with Mt St Mary's and Towson as their only other offers... plus some of those guys were holdovers from the past coach anyway or like in many Rhode Island players from DMV Cox was already their recruiter and contact. Daly was already on Joe's too.

What Jamion Christian has been able to do with literally one good player on the team when he got there has been damn amazing... may not be in wins and losses yet but they are coming..

people forget Marko, Jalen Jenkins, Shevon and Marquise stayed for DP... he inherited better teams than any of these guys not named David Cox and has mostly squandered it since.

Fair, but the transfer landscape was quite different even in 2015. I'm not sure any of those 4 guys had much of a choice in transferring. Jalen had already redshirted. Shevon and Marko were going to be seniors. Marquise was going to be a junior. Typically, upper classmen don't transfer as much due to credits and such. The NCAA was also not handing out waivers like they are today.

Still, DP had a chance to build that way instead of bringing in some of the underwhelming guys those first couple years. I wonder if he regrets that - I think he should. It is a good question though - is his philosophy still why we don't take transfers (aside from Reuter), or is he interested but unable to secure the caliber transfer that would be worth it?

 

[sleeperpick]

Elle Oh Elle

Lasalle had nobody, St Joe's had Ryan Daly and nobody, Duquesne was a laughing stock and Dambrot brought in all of his own guys, UMASS had everyone good not named Pipkins transfer out, ELLE OH ELLE... must be weird waiting for more basketball intelligent people to try and defend your points for you. FreeGunston makes sense although I still mostly disagree, *EDIT no longer confused by Gemini although I almost entirely disagree. Do you have anything at all to add ?

 

[GMUgemini]

re-read it twice and now I get it.. not sure if your numbers are correct but we absolutely have plenty of Paulsen recruits that have transferred down over his tenure. many because they aren't good enough to play in the A-10 couple more that probably aren't good enough to play D1... couple more on this years roster that should be playing NEC equivalent.... grad transferring up is more common than you are thinking right now. good ole American boy Gasperini will be playing big man for UMASS this year off the top of my head... we need a big and he lived down the street from us... must be nice

Yes, and the year to have gone after some transfers would have been 2018 when we had a bunch of those players transfer out or quit the team (Abram, Murrell, Newman, Ralvao, Temara, Dixon). This is the year he finally signed a transfer (Jared Reuter).

I would have much preferred he got a few transfers in year zero as well, instead of taking flyers on guys who obviously weren't good enough and left the team anyway (Dixon, Murrell, Abram).

 

[sleeperpick]

Fair, but the transfer landscape was quite different even in 2015. I'm not sure any of those 4 guys had much of a choice in transferring. Jalen had already redshirted. Shevon and Marko were going to be seniors. Marquise was going to be a junior. Typically, upper classmen don't transfer as much due to credits and such. The NCAA was also not handing out waivers like they are today.

Still, DP had a chance to build that way instead of bringing in some of the underwhelming guys those first couple years. I wonder if he regrets that - I think he should. It is a good question though - is his philosophy still why we don't take transfers (aside from Reuter), or is he interested but unable to secure the caliber transfer that would be worth it?

I think he thinks exactly like Jim does in regards to wanting to develop under recruited (thats generous for some) guys. And to me that is scary. If he prove he could do it like McKillop it would be fine... but is anyone really satisfied on where we are at year 6?

 

[gmujim92]

Lasalle had nobody, St Joe's had Ryan Daly and nobody, Duquesne was a laughing stock and Dambrot brought in all of his own guys, UMASS had everyone good not named Pipkins transfer out, ELLE OH ELLE... must be weird waiting for more basketball intelligent people to try and defend your points for you. FreeGunston makes sense although I still mostly disagree, *EDIT no longer confused by Gemini although I almost entirely disagree. Do you have anything at all to add ?

He inherited a roster with a center who couldn’t pass out of a double team, two power forwards, a point guard who couldn’t shoot and a shooting guard with an attitude problem.

I know you 20-somethings have the attention span of a gnat and six years is a long time, but the program was a dumpster fire when he got here...probably worse than Fordham, honestly.

Anything to serve The Narrative, I guess

 

[tblack33]

He inherited a roster with a center who couldn’t pass out of a double team, two power forwards, a point guard who couldn’t shoot and a shooting guard with an attitude problem.

I know you 20-somethings have the attention span of a gnat and six years is a long time, but the program was a dumpster fire when he got here...probably worse than Fordham, honestly.

Anything to serve The Narrative, I guess

Listen here gramps, I know it’s late and past your bedtime and you are probably experiencing indigestion from your 4pm dinner at old country buffet but I still think that in terms of pure talent, that first team he inherited was probably the best team in at least his first 4 seasons. The roster makeup wasn’t good, and there were obviously growing pains learning a new system and new coach, but the raw talent was there, which isn’t something we could say for the 3 years that followed.

I know you prefer a style of basketball where the guys shoot granny shots into a peach basket and lay ups get called as travels and players aren’t allowed to physically leave campus for 4 years, let alone transfer but ya gotta get with the times.

 

[sleeperpick]

He inherited a roster with a center who couldn’t pass out of a double team, two power forwards, a point guard who couldn’t shoot and a shooting guard with an attitude problem.

I know you 20-somethings have the attention span of a gnat and six years is a long time, but the program was a dumpster fire when he got here...probably worse than Fordham, honestly. Paulsen followed me on Twitter so now I am his bootlicker who can't stand being consistently wrong about almost everything because my source is a fellow 75 year old journalist that can't find a job.

Anything to serve The Narrative, I guess

LOL I hope you re-read this before your pressed send.

 

[sleeperpick]

Jeff Neubauer has 30 more losses with one more year coaching at Fordham than Hewitt did at Mason.... He makes Paulsen and Hewitt both look like Einstein.... but you would know that if you ever looked at stats or advanced analytics

 

[GMUgemini]

Listen here gramps, I know it’s late and past your bedtime and you are probably experiencing indigestion from your 4pm dinner at old country buffet but I still think that in terms of pure talent, that first team he inherited was probably the best team in at least his first 4 seasons. The roster makeup wasn’t good, and there were obviously growing pains learning a new system and new coach, but the raw talent was there, which isn’t something we could say for the 3 years that followed.

I know you prefer a style of basketball where the guys shoot granny shots into a peach basket and lay ups get called as travels and players aren’t allowed to physically leave campus for 4 years, let alone transfer but ya gotta get with the times.

They were also anchored by 3 underrecruited players (Marquise, Otis, Grayer), and went on to win 20 games in year two.

The hardest thing about these conversations is the fact that the last two years have been a horror show of under-performing expectations. And does that have to do with the level of the recruits? Does that have to do with Paulsen who can't coach out of a peach basket? Or does that have to do with injuries to key players at the worst possible time? Is it a combination of all of these factors? We just don't know.

Had the following players been 100% healthy the last two seasons, are some of us saying Paulsen is the worst coach in D1? (Boyd, Kier, Grayer, Reuter, Otis, Mar).

 

[gmujim92]

Listen here gramps, I know it’s late and past your bedtime and you are probably experiencing indigestion from your 4pm dinner at old country buffet but I still think that in terms of pure talent, that first team he inherited was probably the best team in at least his first 4 seasons. The roster makeup wasn’t good, and there were obviously growing pains learning a new system and new coach, but the raw talent was there, which isn’t something we could say for the 3 years that followed.

I know you prefer a style of basketball where the guys shoot granny shots into a peach basket and lay ups get called as travels and players aren’t allowed to physically leave campus for 4 years, let alone transfer but ya gotta get with the times.

No more buffets b/c of COVID. Just turned 50 in March so I’m in a higher risk group now.

 

[sleeperpick]

No more buffets b/c of COVID. Just turned 50 in March so I’m in a higher risk group now.

Happy Belated Birthday sir. My dad just got his AARP card this year... buffet coupons a plenty coming your way post COVID