2016 Recruiting

emjayar08

Sixth Man
He just committed to Saint Joe's.

Great potential for immediate playing time available there since they lose both Bembry and Miles.

Good luck to the young man except when the Hawks are playing Mason.

Speaking of playing time, Markell Lodge, who we/I really wanted, redshirted his first year at St Joes and then pretty much rode the bench all year this year. Wonder if he's wishing he went here and got more PT his RS freshman year. Maybe he hasn't been able to transition his game to the next level. It's obviously early in his college career and time will tell. The man was undersized for a PF but could throw it down better than anyone.
 
I'm surprised we haven't signed at least a JUCO big man by now.

Jenkins will be fine in the post next year...problem I have is that I'm not sure if I'm sold with Dixon, Temara ,and Relvao
 

gmujim92

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GIVING DAY 2023
I'm surprised we haven't signed at least a JUCO big man by now.

Jenkins will be fine in the post next year...problem I have is that I'm not sure if I'm sold with Dixon, Temara ,and Relvao

Not gonna happen.

We have one available scholarship and the staff is trying to convince AJ Wilson to take it.

If he doesn't, and there are no other 2016 guys they really like, don't be surprised to see them carry it over to 2017.

DP is building methodically with 4-year players and he knows that all a JUCO will do at this point is take away playing time our young guys need to develop.

He has the luxury to do that because the program was already destroyed before he came and he has at least 5 years to rebuild it.

Sucks for the seniors to say that we're not in "win now" mode -- obviously everyone is trying to win -- but this is a long-term process. We have to accept some pain now for a payoff in the future.
 

GMUgemini

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Not gonna happen.

We have one available scholarship and the staff is trying to convince AJ Wilson to take it.

If he doesn't, and there are no other 2016 guys they really like, don't be surprised to see them carry it over to 2017.

DP is building methodically with 4-year players and he knows that all a JUCO will do at this point is take away playing time our young guys need to develop.

He has the luxury to do that because the program was already destroyed before he came and he has at least 5 years to rebuild it.

Sucks for the seniors to say that we're not in "win now" mode -- obviously everyone is trying to win -- but this is a long-term process. We have to accept some pain now for a payoff in the future.

Besides, if Relvao, Dixon, and Temara all aren't ready, we can always go small ball and play Abram at the 4. He had a lot of experience playing that position his freshman year.
 
Not gonna happen.

We have one available scholarship and the staff is trying to convince AJ Wilson to take it.

If he doesn't, and there are no other 2016 guys they really like, don't be surprised to see them carry it over to 2017.

DP is building methodically with 4-year players and he knows that all a JUCO will do at this point is take away playing time our young guys need to develop.

He has the luxury to do that because the program was already destroyed before he came and he has at least 5 years to rebuild it.

Sucks for the seniors to say that we're not in "win now" mode -- obviously everyone is trying to win -- but this is a long-term process. We have to accept some pain now for a payoff in the future.



Jim I see your concern, and thought it through before posting. I see your strategy as outlined above, however I disagree. Getting a JUCO big man now will balance out our recruiting classes, and allows us to be very competitive THIS year as opposed to waiting another year to develop talent. Our guards will be studs this year. I have no reason to believe this won't be the case.

Jenkins will be good for 25-30 mins/game this year. That leaves approximately 10-15 mins/game available between Dixon/Relvao/Temara at the "4" spot.

That doesn't include a full 40 mins/game available at the "5" spot.

If you saw the games I saw last year, Dixon would need to improve 100% in every facet of his game over this summer to earn 10-15 mins/game next year.

Dixon was slow, uncoordinated, and didn't look like he belonged on an A10 basketball court. He was lucky to get 5 mins/game on the court last year. Even Paulsen said he wished he could've red-shirted him. This is My $.02

Daniel Relvao averaged 8 PPG at Mountain Mission High School in Grundy, VA. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. Don't think for a minute he will come in and produce an immense amount this year.

I see Temara getting the most minutes out of the 3 of them next year, however he will be learning the game.

As you can see with my write-up above, my case for a JUCO product to come in this year is a valid argument.
 

JimP

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On the fence in this argument. If we don't get a JUCO and really struggle underneath the basket, it will be hard to argue with P8. I do realize it's a process, but hopefully we at least see promise.
 

Mason2005

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GIVING DAY 2023
From what I'm seeing at GW right now, having a roaster where you try to plug holes with JUCOs creates an environment where you'll have a ton of transfers. It can't be fun of you are waiting for your time to be a starter but you get bumped down every year from JUCOs. Even at vcu, they have 3 transferring this year. One redshirted last season and is willing to sit another year to get out.
 

ephoops

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DP never took a JUCO at Bucknell.

For him to take a JUCO at GMU, the player would need to a special kid -- highly skilled, high character, high bball IQ and good academics. When he was at Bucknell, he had one player transfer in from Penn who turned out to be a productive three-year center/power forward as both a reserve and then a starter.
 

GMUgemini

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On the fence in this argument. If we don't get a JUCO and really struggle underneath the basket, it will be hard to argue with P8. I do realize it's a process, but hopefully we at least see promise.

Jenkins is going to play under the basket guys. He's not really a stretch 4 like Relvao and Temara.

Dixon will backup Jenkins at the 5 and probably give him breathers, take up space, and give fouls.

If Relvao and Temara aren't ready to get starters minutes, look for Abram to start at the 4.
 

mkaufman1

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GIVING DAY 2023
My question merely lies with how many JUCO transfers are going to come in and make a significant impact. Shevon Thompson was basically a JUCO transfer "accident" in terms of level of talent and even being found.

At this stage of the game, and considering where Mason is going to be competitive wise, I don't think it makes sense to bring one in. You have to see what you have and who pans out before you can plug in the hole with a JUCO in my opinion. Keep in mind that even the JUCO transfer is going to have a learning curve going from junior college ball to Atlantic 10 competition, and the ones who dont have much of a learning curve, most likely won't be coming to Mason and go right to a power 5 conference school.
 

gmujim92

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GIVING DAY 2023
Jim I see your concern, and thought it through before posting. I see your strategy as outlined above, however I disagree. Getting a JUCO big man now will balance out our recruiting classes, and allows us to be very competitive THIS year as opposed to waiting another year to develop talent. Our guards will be studs this year. I have no reason to believe this won't be the case.

Jenkins will be good for 25-30 mins/game this year. That leaves approximately 10-15 mins/game available between Dixon/Relvao/Temara at the "4" spot.

That doesn't include a full 40 mins/game available at the "5" spot.

If you saw the games I saw last year, Dixon would need to improve 100% in every facet of his game over this summer to earn 10-15 mins/game next year.

Dixon was slow, uncoordinated, and didn't look like he belonged on an A10 basketball court. He was lucky to get 5 mins/game on the court last year. Even Paulsen said he wished he could've red-shirted him. This is My $.02

Daniel Relvao averaged 8 PPG at Mountain Mission High School in Grundy, VA. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. Don't think for a minute he will come in and produce an immense amount this year.

I see Temara getting the most minutes out of the 3 of them next year, however he will be learning the game.

As you can see with my write-up above, my case for a JUCO product to come in this year is a valid argument.
Jim I see your concern, and thought it through before posting. I see your strategy as outlined above, however I disagree. Getting a JUCO big man now will balance out our recruiting classes, and allows us to be very competitive THIS year as opposed to waiting another year to develop talent. Our guards will be studs this year. I have no reason to believe this won't be the case.

Jenkins will be good for 25-30 mins/game this year. That leaves approximately 10-15 mins/game available between Dixon/Relvao/Temara at the "4" spot.

That doesn't include a full 40 mins/game available at the "5" spot.

If you saw the games I saw last year, Dixon would need to improve 100% in every facet of his game over this summer to earn 10-15 mins/game next year.

Dixon was slow, uncoordinated, and didn't look like he belonged on an A10 basketball court. He was lucky to get 5 mins/game on the court last year. Even Paulsen said he wished he could've red-shirted him. This is My $.02

Daniel Relvao averaged 8 PPG at Mountain Mission High School in Grundy, VA. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. Don't think for a minute he will come in and produce an immense amount this year.

I see Temara getting the most minutes out of the 3 of them next year, however he will be learning the game.

As you can see with my write-up above, my case for a JUCO product to come in this year is a valid argument.

First of all, barring something unforeseen, Jenkins will be our starting 5 man. He's most effective operating around the basket, has a deceptively good face-up jumper from 15 feet and in, and as many A-10 teams (Dayton, vcu?) have shown, you can be successful with a shorter center as long as he has the strength to not get pushed around.

If Jenkins can avoid foul trouble, he'll play 30 mpg with Relvao and Dixon battling it out for backup minutes.

That leaves 40 minutes of playing time at the 4. Depending on how quickly Temara acclimates to the college game, a lot of those minutes could wind up being used by wings and guards.

My hope is that Temara is Hancock 2.0 and comes in ready to start from Day 1. That gives us a 6-9 face-up 4 man with the skill to play on the perimeter and the strength to hold his own in the paint.

In the event that doesn't happen, we're probably going to play a lot of small ball because DP will want to get our guards on the court as much as possible.

Moore, Livingston, Grayer and Abram all showed they can play effectively together. Murrell is a far better shooter than he showed as a freshman. Now throw in Boyd, Newman and Kier, all of whom will push for playing time right away.

College basketball is a guard's game and all of a sudden we have a bunch of them.

And thanks to the influence of Golden State, very few teams these days emphasize the traditional big man anyhow. It's a skill game now. Spread the floor, stretch the defense and shoot the 3.

Very similar to the style DP used so successfully at Bucknell, but with better athletes.

With 10, perhaps 11 freshmen and sophomores on the roster, why in the world would you want to add a JUCO to take away developmental playing time?

Let's face facts: We're not one "missing piece" away from competing for an NCAA bid, or even the NIT, in 2016-17. We're in rebuilding mode. Doing that in a sustainable manner takes time.

With more than 700 players across the U.S. transferring every year, recruiting classes tend to balance out organically.

The reality is, all 12 of our current players aren't going to play meaningful minutes. The cream will rise and 2-3 of them will probably wind up transferring out in search of a better fit at another school.

Guess what I'm saying is, with all due respect, I don't see your argument for a JUCO to be valid at all.
 
First of all, barring something unforeseen, Jenkins will be our starting 5 man. He's most effective operating around the basket, has a deceptively good face-up jumper from 15 feet and in, and as many A-10 teams (Dayton, vcu?) have shown, you can be successful with a shorter center as long as he has the strength to not get pushed around.

If Jenkins can avoid foul trouble, he'll play 30 mpg with Relvao and Dixon battling it out for backup minutes.

That leaves 40 minutes of playing time at the 4. Depending on how quickly Temara acclimates to the college game, a lot of those minutes could wind up being used by wings and guards.

My hope is that Temara is Hancock 2.0 and comes in ready to start from Day 1. That gives us a 6-9 face-up 4 man with the skill to play on the perimeter and the strength to hold his own in the paint.

In the event that doesn't happen, we're probably going to play a lot of small ball because DP will want to get our guards on the court as much as possible.

Moore, Livingston, Grayer and Abram all showed they can play effectively together. Murrell is a far better shooter than he showed as a freshman. Now throw in Boyd, Newman and Kier, all of whom will push for playing time right away.

College basketball is a guard's game and all of a sudden we have a bunch of them.

And thanks to the influence of Golden State, very few teams these days emphasize the traditional big man anyhow. It's a skill game now. Spread the floor, stretch the defense and shoot the 3.

Very similar to the style DP used so successfully at Bucknell, but with better athletes.

With 10, perhaps 11 freshmen and sophomores on the roster, why in the world would you want to add a JUCO to take away developmental playing time?

Let's face facts: We're not one "missing piece" away from competing for an NCAA bid, or even the NIT, in 2016-17. We're in rebuilding mode. Doing that in a sustainable manner takes time.

With more than 700 players across the U.S. transferring every year, recruiting classes tend to balance out organically.

The reality is, all 12 of our current players aren't going to play meaningful minutes. The cream will rise and 2-3 of them will probably wind up transferring out in search of a better fit at another school.

Guess what I'm saying is, with all due respect, I don't see your argument for a JUCO to be valid at all.


I'm glad we can agree to disagree. Other than Jenkins, we have no idea what we really have in the post next year. With the unknown in the post, why not bring in a 2-year player rather than a 4-year player who may or may not transfer?
 

gmujim92

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GIVING DAY 2023
I'm glad we can agree to disagree. Other than Jenkins, we have no idea what we really have in the post next year. With the unknown in the post, why not bring in a 2-year player rather than a 4-year player who may or may not transfer?

Because you will never really know whether these young guys can contribute long-term unless they get a chance to play.

If DP had signed a couple JUCO guards last season, our record might have been a few games better. But we also wouldn't have gotten to see what Otis, Jaire and DeAndre can do with meaningful playing time.

I get why teams that are on the cusp of an NCAA bid opt for JUCOs and grad transfers because they're trying to win now and they can't afford to live with freshman mistakes. That's not us.

I'd rather deal with those mistakes now and benefit down the road than take shortcuts in an effort to finish .500 in the A10 and earn a bid to the CLITournament.
 
Because you will never really know whether these young guys can contribute long-term unless they get a chance to play.

If DP had signed a couple JUCO guards last season, our record might have been a few games better. But we also wouldn't have gotten to see what Otis, Jaire and DeAndre can do with meaningful playing time.

I get why teams that are on the cusp of an NCAA bid opt for JUCOs and grad transfers because they're trying to win now and they can't afford to live with freshman mistakes. That's not us.

I'd rather deal with those mistakes now and benefit down the road than take shortcuts in an effort to finish .500 in the A10 and earn a bid to the CLITournament.

OK, so explain this to me, if you want a 4 year 4 or 5 player, why didn't' we sign one in November or this Spring?
 

gmujim92

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GIVING DAY 2023
OK, so explain this to me, if you want a 4 year 4 or 5 player, why didn't' we sign one in November or this Spring?

Not sure what you're talking about.

We got a signed NLI from Temara this spring. He is the heir apparent at the 4 spot and has a chance to be a 4-year starter there if he is ready to play from Day 1.
 

Mason2005

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GIVING DAY 2023
Let's hope Temara is another hidden jewel like Otis bc he also barely had any offers. I believe in this staff though.
 

GSII

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We are definitely playing small ball next year and I won't be surprised if we're playing Five guards at once. These coaches know Ian Boyd is hardly coming off court next year. Book it!
 

Patriot8

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Because you will never really know whether these young guys can contribute long-term unless they get a chance to play.

If DP had signed a couple JUCO guards last season, our record might have been a few games better. But we also wouldn't have gotten to see what Otis, Jaire and DeAndre can do with meaningful playing time.

I get why teams that are on the cusp of an NCAA bid opt for JUCOs and grad transfers because they're trying to win now and they can't afford to live with freshman mistakes. That's not us.

I'd rather deal with those mistakes now and benefit down the road than take shortcuts in an effort to finish .500 in the A10 and earn a bid to the CLITournament.

I am reading this while I am on a conference call.. and "CLITournament" made me laugh out loud.. Luckily I am on mute.
 

Harry

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At one point a couple years ago,A.J. Wilson looked like a lock for Maryland or another P-5 school.

Glad we have Duane Simpkins out there recruiting all these DMV kids. His DeMatha roots still resonate on the trail.

It would be a major coup if the staff can land Wilson.
At the Field House today, I saw a guy that looked like AJ Wilson accompanied by DP and Simpkins. Has Wilson visited yet?
 

gmujim92

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At the Field House today, I saw a guy that looked like AJ Wilson accompanied by DP and Simpkins. Has Wilson visited yet?

Not that I know of. This staff is very good at keeping stuff on the down low.

That said, I hope it was Wilson and I really hope he signs with Mason. He'd be a great addition to an under-the-radar 2016 class.
 
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