The Paul Hewitt Thread

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And let's not forget that all of these calls for his job today are after a 2-game winning streak, one of which was against a very good St. Mary's team. While we all feel let down about the near collapse last night, it still goes down as a win to the people paying Hewitt's salary.

Cabrera strikes me as more of a businessman that Merten, so I doubt he will put up with mediocrity from his flagship sport for very long even if it does mean eating part of the salary. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next year.

But again.....at what point do we look at reality? The same was being said when we were 4-0 against some horrible teams......

Winning a nailbiter against Penn shouldnt qualify as a feather in anybodies cap......if it does, thats sad we are at that point where winning games against horrible teams are grounds for celebration.
 

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But again.....at what point do we look at reality? The same was being said when we were 4-0 against some horrible teams......

Winning a nailbiter against Penn shouldnt qualify as a feather in anybodies cap......if it does, thats sad we are at that point where winning games against horrible teams are grounds for celebration.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I just don't think the administration has the same knee-jerk reactions that fans do. This isn't gymnastics or iceskating where points are rewarding for artistry, so I doubt they break down wins in terms of how bad a team is or how much we should have beaten them by.

My hunch — and I have no inside information on this — is that there will be some leeway with Hewitt since we just moved into a new conference and there has been significant turnover with the roster. Unless we have more money socked away that I'm unaware of, I can't envision our university eating the salary of a coach who has won 64% of his games here — regardless of the competition.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I just don't think the administration has the same knee-jerk reactions that fans do. This isn't gymnastics or iceskating where points are rewarding for artistry, so I doubt they break down wins in terms of how bad a team is or how much we should have beaten them by.

My hunch — and I have no inside information on this — is that there will be some leeway with Hewitt since we just moved into a new conference and there has been significant turnover with the roster. Unless we have more money socked away that I'm unaware of, I can't envision our university eating the salary of a coach who has won 64% of his games here — regardless of the competition.

Well said, and what I put in bold is exactly why I still think Hewitt will get at least the 5 years, and possibly a year or two beyond that unless things really really tank. It sucks that we all have to think and talk about "roster turnover" and "new conference" because they come across as excuses (to a degree), but unfortunately its reality.
 
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I just don't think the administration has the same knee-jerk reactions that fans do. This isn't gymnastics or iceskating where points are rewarding for artistry, so I doubt they break down wins in terms of how bad a team is or how much we should have beaten them by.

My hunch — and I have no inside information on this — is that there will be some leeway with Hewitt since we just moved into a new conference and there has been significant turnover with the roster. Unless we have more money socked away that I'm unaware of, I can't envision our university eating the salary of a coach who has won 64% of his games here — regardless of the competition.

Thats why Im saying it ultimately doesnt matter, because the admin wont do anything. But the conversation should be had.

Wins and losses are misleading, TOC has been a AD for a long time...if he cant come to a game and see the direction the program is in and where Hewitt is taking it and be concerned mightily, Im not sure we shouldnt think about a fresh pair of eyes in his position either.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I just don't think the administration has the same knee-jerk reactions that fans do. This isn't gymnastics or iceskating where points are rewarding for artistry, so I doubt they break down wins in terms of how bad a team is or how much we should have beaten them by.
I'm the one that posted in this thread today, and I guess I got the ball rolling on the Hewitt bashing. My post wasn't meant as a knee-jerk reaction to last night's game, but rather the culmination of what I have seen over the past 2.5 seasons. I don't believe that Hewitt will make the NCAAs or the NIT during his time as GMU's coach.
 

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If Mike Deane is available, could we hire him? I will *never* forget him yelling a one word instruction to his team from the sideline during JMUs successful run last year - "FIIIIIIGGGGHHTTTTT!!!!"

It was one of the most memorable things I have ever seen in sports. Wish I had video or an animated gif of it. Sometimes a single word is all that's needed.
 
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I'm the one that posted in this thread today, and I guess I got the ball rolling on the Hewitt bashing. My post wasn't meant as a knee-jerk reaction to last night's game, but rather the culmination of what I have seen over the past 2.5 seasons. I don't believe that Hewitt will make the NCAAs or the NIT during his time as GMU's coach.

This is what I dont get. 2.5 seasons in is not kneejerk, it doesnt take much to see the direction we are headed.
 

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Btw, I am not Hewitt bashing, because he is an honorable, respectable Coach. But, sometimes, the safe choice is not the winning choice.
Well said. Everything about Hewitt is safe. He doesn't win big, but he doesn't lose big either. His career defines "middle of the pack," outside of his Final Four run, of course.
 
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Precisely, Hewitt will not take us anywhere. That is my issue with the lack of foresight and looking into the future.

He is not going to take us to the level that we had hoped when one of the better jobs in the country was open and we had the knee jerk coaching search. If winning a handful of games, but never really being a good team that challenges for championships is your thing, by all means. I want more.
 

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Tom I agree that it will be tough for the university to swallow his salary if they fired him now.

That being said, I think your characterization of the fans having a knee jerk reaction could not be much more inaccurate. Some on here reacted that way immediately, but many of us, the most die hard fans have given it two and a half years and we have seen absolutely zero improvement in the teams performance. Some of the fans that seem to agree that Hewitt is part (if not most) of the problem are long term and generally very positive fans (like Pablo, Gemini, me. It seems as Jollay is frustrated with him as well. Even Expat agrees he is a problem if he doesn't see that he needs to go yet).

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I would like someone to convince me to still have hope for Hewitt. I am open to it. I used to be the one that went around trying to pump people up about Hewitt, or at least have them give him a fair shake. I know it is no one's responsibility to do so, but you would think there would be a good argument out there by those that still feel he is the solution and like to debate things on here. I just don't really see anyone providing much of a defense that can explain away the tornado of problems we have run into and not come to the conclusion that we need new leadership.

So, if our coach is part of the problem, and by extension, not part of the solution, the talk needs to stop being about whether or not the administration breaks down wins the way we fans do. It needs to be about making sure the administration sees that he is an issue, sooner, rather than later.
 

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Everything about Hewitt is safe. He doesn't win big, but he doesn't lose big either. His career defines "middle of the pack," outside of his Final Four run, of course.

I think that about sums it up. The question is, from our administration's perspective, is that enough to fire him. Time will tell.
 

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I think that about sums it up. The question is, from our administration's perspective, is that enough to fire him. Time will tell.
My guess is no. It's hard to fire a coach for being mediocre, but the only thing I'm afraid of is him magically getting us to the NCAA tournament in his fifth year and landing a 3-year extension...
 

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I'm the one that posted in this thread today, and I guess I got the ball rolling on the Hewitt bashing.

JBiggs-Please don't feel like you started it. I was planning on posting on this thread for a while. I was giving last night as test to see if there was any hope. It was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back for me. As you can see, I tend to not say things concisely (unless I am being sarcastic), so it takes me a while to put the post together. So, you just beat me to the punch or else I would have resurrected the thread myself.
 

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I defended Hewitt for 2+ seasons, believing that much of the struggles of the last two seasons would disappear this year with a more experienced roster, a true PG in Moore, healthy, hungry seniors, and the departures of players who didn't fit Hewitt's system. But I'm not seeing any progress. If anything, we look significantly worse than last year. I now see Hewitt's last and only hope as his fifth season, when he will have only his own guys, and I'm no longer certain that he will get (or deserves to get) that fifth season. That's not a knee-jerk conclusion, but a long, slow, frustrating defeat of my previous optimism. But we're in a weird spot. Firing Hewitt now, even if we had the money, might do even more damage than keeping him, because we have so many scholarships to fill.
 

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So that is what you want for your/our school? Thats what you are ok with?

You can try to make this about me if it makes you feel better, but I have no say whatsoever in who our coach is or when he leaves. I'll support the current coaches and players until they're gone, and after that I'll support their replacements.

If you guys are that hungry for change, start a petition. Hell, Brian is on of our biggest donors and knows most of the administration personally, so I'm sure he'd be happy to hand deliver it to TOC or Cabrera himself.
 
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