The Paul Hewitt Thread

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I don't know where else to vent this, so I'll put it here. I'm watching Wichita State play Tennessee on national TV right now and feeling so pissed off. I don't know how I stayed positive for so long, but I am so grouchy about Mason ball right now.

WSU is struggling a little with Tennessee, but still ahead and still ranked number 8 and 12 in the freaking country. vcu was a ranked program and is still getting votes. Butler isn't having their best year, but certainly had sustained success and you can believe they'll be back. Mason and Wichita State were "growing up" at the exact same time. vcu and Butler were just a couple of years behind. They've all done exactly what they were supposed to do.

What about George Mason? We're the only one of the "elite mid-majors" who never achieved higher than a #24 ranking ever again. Wichita State is #8 in the country and the last few years we would have been thrilled to be #8 in the mid-major Top 25. Two NCAA appearances with one victory and two blowout losses. First round NIT loss. First round CIT HOME loss. A senior-laden team that returns almost every piece of a CBI finalist team who can't play well for more than 25 minutes, and not even that long against a good team. A CAA POY who doesn't even make the post-season in the new era of watered-down post-seasons. It's an effing embarrassment.

Thank goodness most basketball fans are idiots or are pigeonholed into one team/league. At least the name George Mason still means something to people who don't know what they're talking about. George Mason "paved the way" for Wichita State, vcu, and Butler to make a final four. But how come all of them did something afterwards and we haven't? We came close in 2011, but, in true Mason fashion, didn't quite make it.

We can't just blame Hewitt, because OCM didn't do a whole hell of a lot after 2006 either. We had a steady build from 1998 to 2006, then flat-lined or worse. In 2008, we stumbled into the NCAA tournament and couldn't even compete with Notre Dame with a team lead by two of the best seniors Mason ever had. In 2011, we had one of the best teams in the country on paper, yet struggled to beat a sad Villanova team and were absolutely embarrassed by Ohio State. We talked about Cam Long being a future NBA role player. Then he pretty much gave up, decided not to even show up for his final week of college practices, and watched his team suffer one of the most embarrassing home losses in NCAA "post-season" history. We kept losing to Paul Hewitt's Georgia Tech teams in exempt tournaments. We recruited better and better players who never came close to being as good as the un-heralded Butler, Skinn, Lewis, Campbell, Thomas, or Hancock.

We have spent the last 7 years "one year away" from greatness. But it never comes. I am all for firing Hewitt's assistants and hiring people to essentially run the team for him so that we are at least paying Hewitt to be part of the program instead of paying him to go away. Find our next head coach by making him an assistant and making it clear that it's a 2-year job interview to be our next head coach. But things need to change, and not just the coaching. All of the free press we got from the FF run is being erased. Someone at the top had better have the vision to realize that what Butler, vcu, and WSU have done could have been us and SHOULD have been us - and if it was, it would be nothing but good for the University.

/out-of-nowhere-rant
 

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And, in the time it took me to type that, Wichita St stopped struggling and now has a commanding lead over a "BCS team" in front of another sell-out crowd on national television.
 
I didn't know Cam Long skipped his final week of college practices leading up to the NCAA tournament. Weird. I think you have forgotten than Cam was a senior on the 2010-11 NCAA team and put together one of the best all around seasons we've seen at Mason in quite some time. And he at least showed up vs Ohio State.
 

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I didn't know Cam Long skipped his final week of college practices leading up to the NCAA tournament. Weird. I think you have forgotten than Cam was a senior on the 2010-11 NCAA team and put together one of the best all around seasons we've seen at Mason in quite some time. And he at least showed up vs Ohio State.
Oh, whoops... obviously I was thinking of his junior year. Sorry for the error, Cam, and anyone else who cares. And, in retrospect, his senior year was fantastic and he probably could have worked his way back to NBA consideration if it hadn't been a strike year. Somehow doesn't make me feel any better about my frustrations.
 

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The strike absolutely cost Cam his NBA chance. But he's been tearing it up in Europe.
 

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I didn't know Cam Long skipped his final week of college practices leading up to the NCAA tournament. Weird. I think you have forgotten than Cam was a senior on the 2010-11 NCAA team and put together one of the best all around seasons we've seen at Mason in quite some time. And he at least showed up vs Ohio State.

I remember Cam Long, like everyone on our roster that day, completely overwhelmed by Ohio State...

As for Wichita State, they went to the NCAA tournament in 2006 and didn't go back until 2012, then to the final four in 2013. I'm not sure how that equals sustained success yet.

It remains to be seen what vcu's season this year will look like. They been consistently dangerous, but I have a feeling the A-10 is going to be a tougher nut to crack this year than last.
 

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I'm glad some of you can still be as optimistic as I once was, but to not see that Wichita State and vcu have been better than Mason since Mason's 2006 run is silly. You make a good point about Wichita State's drought but still, they're back. We are not.
 

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I'm glad some of you can still be as optimistic as I once was, but to not see that Wichita State and vcu have been better than Mason since Mason's 2006 run is silly. You make a good point about Wichita State's drought but still, they're back. We are not.

In reading your rant I just started thinking about potential variables as to why GMU never catapulted to repeat "high level" success after '06.

The only thing that popped in my head was the fact that maybe the GMU brass basically tried to downplay the FF success. It was more of a "Wow I can't believe this happened" event rather than "Wow, we can continue getting to Final Fours." I think to some extent, there had to be some who thought that we shouldn't go around thinking we could jump to the ACC or Big East the very next season and be winning those tournaments. It seems there was more of a conservative approach to advancing the basketball program, while the rest of the University has experienced so much more visible growth(student pop, new buildings, etc). I guess you could say the approach was more of a 'don't fix it if it isn't broken' type deal where the fix part also included NOT dumping exorbitant amounts of money to the basketball program.

As far as WSU, vcu, Butler, etc I guess they didn't have the weight of "Hey, we were the first to do this in a looong time so let's not mess this up by getting crazy" syndrome so when they hit success they just used us as a barometer as to what to do or not to do.
 

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In reading your rant I just started thinking about potential variables as to why GMU never catapulted to repeat "high level" success after '06.

The only thing that popped in my head was the fact that maybe the GMU brass basically tried to downplay the FF success. It was more of a "Wow I can't believe this happened" event rather than "Wow, we can continue getting to Final Fours." I think to some extent, there had to be some who thought that we shouldn't go around thinking we could jump to the ACC or Big East the very next season and be winning those tournaments. It seems there was more of a conservative approach to advancing the basketball program, while the rest of the University has experienced so much more visible growth(student pop, new buildings, etc). I guess you could say the approach was more of a 'don't fix it if it isn't broken' type deal where the fix part also included NOT dumping exorbitant amounts of money to the basketball program.

As far as WSU, vcu, Butler, etc I guess they didn't have the weight of "Hey, we were the first to do this in a looong time so let's not mess this up by getting crazy" syndrome so when they hit success they just used us as a barometer as to what to do or not to do.

There's no "maybe" about it. Merten -- and TOC to a lesser extent, by his infuriating "athletics is a side door to the university" comments -- both treated the FF run as a total fluke unlikely to be replicated by us or anyone else any time soon.

They completely miscalculated the growing parity in the college game, brought on by the proliferation of AAU basketball and HS grads going straight to the NBA. And they look like total fools now for doing so.

Merten's presidency produced a period of unprecedented growth in all other areas at Mason. He helped completely reshape the image of our university by building the sparkling dorms that welcomed thousands of students and breathed new life into the campus.

It's a shame he couldn't have made a similar commitment to growing our basketball program. If he had, we'd still have our FF coach and a practice facility.
 

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In reading your rant I just started thinking about potential variables as to why GMU never catapulted to repeat "high level" success after '06.

The only thing that popped in my head was the fact that maybe the GMU brass basically tried to downplay the FF success. It was more of a "Wow I can't believe this happened" event rather than "Wow, we can continue getting to Final Fours." I think to some extent, there had to be some who thought that we shouldn't go around thinking we could jump to the ACC or Big East the very next season and be winning those tournaments. It seems there was more of a conservative approach to advancing the basketball program, while the rest of the University has experienced so much more visible growth(student pop, new buildings, etc). I guess you could say the approach was more of a 'don't fix it if it isn't broken' type deal where the fix part also included NOT dumping exorbitant amounts of money to the basketball program.

As far as WSU, vcu, Butler, etc I guess they didn't have the weight of "Hey, we were the first to do this in a looong time so let's not mess this up by getting crazy" syndrome so when they hit success they just used us as a barometer as to what to do or not to do.

Why didn't we capitalize on our success? I'll give you two words: Eric Maynor or more broadly vcu syndrome.
 

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Please don't give them that much credit. The last thing their fan base needs is even more reason to gloat.

Unfortunately it's true. For whatever reason Larranaga never had an answer for vcu. Let's look at our CAA tournaments post-Final Four.

2006-2007 CAA Finals GMU 59 vcu 65 (L)
2007-2008 Champions (didn't play vcu)
2008-2009 CAA Finals GMU 50 vcu 71 (L)
2009-2010 CAA Quarters GMU 60 vcu 75 (L) -- GMU higher seed
*2010-2011 CAA Semis GMU 63 vcu 69 (L) -- GMU higher seed

*Now, the 2011 team did make the NCAA tournament as an at-large, but had we gotten through vcu, we probably win the tournament and get a 7 or even 6 seed and avoid Ohio State in the second round.
 

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Unfortunately it's true. For whatever reason Larranaga never had an answer for vcu. Let's look at our CAA tournaments post-Final Four.

2006-2007 CAA Finals GMU 59 vcu 65 (L)
2007-2008 Champions (didn't play vcu)
2008-2009 CAA Finals GMU 50 vcu 71 (L)
2009-2010 CAA Quarters GMU 60 vcu 75 (L) -- GMU higher seed
*2010-2011 CAA Semis GMU 63 vcu 69 (L) -- GMU higher seed

*Now, the 2011 team did make the NCAA tournament as an at-large, but had we gotten through vcu, we probably win the tournament and get a 7 or even 6 seed and avoid Ohio State in the second round.

Don't forget-- ODU was incredibly tough in 2011. They lost to a final four-bound Butler team at the last second in the first round. Saying that we probably beat them in the finals of the CAA tourney is a stretch. It would have been a tough game...
 

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Why didn't we capitalize on our success? I'll give you two words: Eric Maynor or more broadly vcu syndrome.
Or to go one step further, Eric Maynor, plus one more future NBA lottery pick, plus some very talented teammates, plus excellent coaches, and the benefit of playing the conference tournament in a virtual home game setting.

And Larranaga still managed to beat them regularly at the Patriot Center.
 

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Don't forget-- ODU was incredibly tough in 2011. They lost to a final four-bound Butler team at the last second in the first round. Saying that we probably beat them in the finals of the CAA tourney is a stretch. It would have been a tough game...

Maybe, maybe not. But I liked our chances against ODU -- I mean, we completely destroyed them at home that year. And if I remember correctly, we were a missed DJ 3 from beating them in Norfolk (it was a very close game either way)? Larranaga's style of play matched up much better to Taylor's than vcu's
 

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He doesn't have the handle to play the 3 on offense and he can't guard 3s on defense. Other than that, there's not a thing in the world stopping Hewitt from playing J2 at the 3.
Play J2 and Jenkins at the same time. Jenkins can guard the other team's 3 and J2 the the 4. Jenkins can play the 4 on offense. And not all 3s have handles. Look at Wright, he's a 2 with a barely passable handle. I'm just saying be creative to try bring out the players' strengths.
 

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Play J2 and Jenkins at the same time. Jenkins can guard the other team's 3 and J2 the the 4. Jenkins can play the 4 on offense. And not all 3s have handles. Look at Wright, he's a 2 with a barely passable handle. I'm just saying be creative to try bring out the players' strengths.

I'd rather J2 just play behind Marko at the 4. Right now, they're trying to use him as a 5 and he's no 5. I'd rather play Jenkins as an undersized center than try to use J2 as a bulky SF.

It seems like this "should" be our starting 5:

PG: Moore
SG: Allen
SF: Wright
PF: Marko
C: Jenkins

With a Green team of:

PG: Edwards
SG: Holloway
SF: Gray
PF: Williams
C: Copes

I have agreed with the decision to keep Copes out of the starting lineup for now until he can prove he belongs there. The problem is Hewitt is trying to use J2 at a position he doesn't seem to want to play.
 

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J2 is not a center. He wasn't even a physically dominating center in high school, when he had 6 inches in height and 50 pounds on most guys guarding him.

He's a reasonably skilled face-up 4 on a team that already has a younger, better and much more aggressive face-up 4.

At some point, Hewitt will recognize this and put Jenkins in the starting lineup at the 5. That's one kid who knows how to handle business in the paint.
 

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At some point, Hewitt will recognize this and put Jenkins in the starting lineup at the 5. That's one kid who knows how to handle business in the paint.

Are you confident that Hewitt will start Jenkins at the "5" this season?
 

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Are you confident that Hewitt will start Jenkins at the "5" this season?

Unless Copes locates his game, I'm not sure he'll have any other choice. J2 is simply not a Division I-caliber center.

That wasn't really an answer, though, so I'll go with this: I have no earthly idea what Hewitt will do next. He's as big a mystery to me as the December version of Tony Romo.
 
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