OT: President Cabrera Will Serve on the FRB of Richmond

[Herndon]

I'll assume you are joking.

I'm not.

I would 100% trade A-10 GMU basketball, baseball, and soccer for CUSA GMU football. In a heartbeat I would.

 

[GMUgemini]

...I'll be honest, I'd drop basketball too. In a heartbeat, actually. I love mason hoops, but...football or basketball? It's not really a hard decision.

Considering without basketball we'd be playing Division III, why not just go to club games and get your Mason football fix that way?

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

Or he is drunk again

And whose fault is that?

 

[Vurbel]

I'm not.

I would 100% trade A-10 GMU basketball, baseball, and soccer for CUSA GMU football. In a heartbeat I would.

Old Dominion troll?

 

[mason89]

Old Dominion troll?

No... Herndon's just hopped up on cough syrup. He's normally a very reasonable pro-Mason b-ball poster. He'll look back on these posts and probably say, "Who the f*** posted that?!?!?!" Get better soon, H!

 

[JimP]

F'n ODU won a bowl game today.....I hate those dudes for doing it right...I wish Mason had

A bowl game nobody cares about. Focus on basketball and making March Madness - something the entire country follows.

 

[Vurbel]

There was a Bowl game today? Guess I missed it. Busy napping.

 

[Walter]

There are only three football games that anyone cares about. And the last I checked, ODU didn't get a sniff.

 

[Pikapppatri8]

How many football games did the Richmond FRB win last year?

 

[GMU92]

There are only three football games that anyone cares about. And the last I checked, ODU didn't get a sniff.

No. of bowls need to be reduced big time. I think the bowl landscape would be much more interesting if we had the following based on this criteria: can you trace the bowl's lineage back to the 1970s or beyond? We would then have the following:
Rose
Orange
Sugar
Fiesta
Cotton
Peach
Sun
Gator
Citrus
Liberty
Independence
Holiday
With perhaps one additional candidate, that would cover the Top 25 in Div. 1-A.

 

[mason89]

No. of bowls need to be reduced big time. I think the bowl landscape would be much more interesting if we had the following based on this criteria: can you trace the bowl's lineage back to the 1970s or beyond? We would then have the following:
Rose
Orange
Sugar
Fiesta
Cotton
Peach
Sun
Gator
Citrus
Liberty
Independence
Holiday
With perhaps one additional candidate, that would cover the Top 25 in Div. 1-A.

Bring back the Tangerine and Bluebonnet bowls!!!

 

[GMUgemini]

No. of bowls need to be reduced big time. I think the bowl landscape would be much more interesting if we had the following based on this criteria: can you trace the bowl's lineage back to the 1970s or beyond? We would then have the following:
Rose
Orange
Sugar
Fiesta
Cotton
Peach
Sun
Gator
Citrus
Liberty
Independence
Holiday
With perhaps one additional candidate, that would cover the Top 25 in Div. 1-A.

The problem is, the NCAA doesn't control the bowls, they are independent organizations. So, if someone wants to start a bowl and has the money to do it, no one can really stop them.

 

[Vurbel]

The problem is, the NCAA doesn't control the bowls, they are independent organizations. So, if someone wants to start a bowl and has the money to do it, no one can really stop them.

So we could all pool our spare change and have the Masonhoops.com Bowl?

 

[GMUgemini]

So we could all pool our spare change and have the Masonhoops.com Bowl?

Let's do it.

 

[Vurbel]

Let's do it.

Actually, since we're dreaming big, why don't we call it the "vcu Sucks Bowl presented by masonhoops.com".

 

[Falco]

I don't want a football team! Funding a stadium, paying for 90 scholarships, and hiring 20 staff *without* taking away from basketball, baseball, and soccer?

I never

For once, I agree with PiKap. Being in Fairfax, you have the Redskins, Wizards, Hoyas, Caps, Nats, Terps, Kennedy Center, National Mall, etc. all competing for our disposable income. If we were in Norfolk or Harrisonburg where there is no such competition then sure, go for it, but we're not in those areas. Football at Mason (past the club level) isn't happening in my children's lifetimes.

Just to play devils advocate; somehow umd, lsu, or any Florida school and California team are able to fill seats while still competing against professional teams and cities and nature.

And somehow a hippy state like Oregon is able to find fans.

My dad told me a saying when I was a kid and I think it applies perfectly to this situation. "He who says he can and he who says he can't are usually both right"

The person who thinks they can is more likely to succeed because they are willing to try, fail, and try again. The person who says they can't will not try, or at best they will try half heartedly.

Just food for thought

 

[GMUgemini]

I never


Just to play devils advocate; somehow umd, lsu, or any Florida school and California team are able to fill seats while still competing against professional teams and cities and nature.

And somehow a hippy state like Oregon is able to find fans.

My dad told me a saying when I was a kid and I think it applies perfectly to this situation. "He who says he can and he who says he can't are usually both right"

The person who thinks they can is more likely to succeed because they are willing to try, fail, and try again. The person who says they can't will not try, or at best they will try half heartedly.

Just food for thought

A few things...one, UMD was bleeding money after expanding their stadium without demand and had to leave the ACC in order to pay for their team. LSU is in Baton Rouge, which has no professional teams, so are both Florida (Gainesville) and Florida State (Tallahassee). Oregon is funded by Nike.

Also, look at the history of all of those schools and when they started playing football. They also all belong to the exclusive BCS system. Let me know when a slot opens up in one of those conferences that would let a school like George Mason in.

Mason missed the boat of football. Had it started in 1998 (which I think was the last year it came close) it would be a different situation and it's possible we'd be in a decent conference (like CUSA or AAC), but as it stands we'd be either stuck in FCS forever or forced into joining a conference like the Sun Belt (sorry, Herdon, I'm not sacrificing A-10 basketball for Sun Belt football).

UMass made the leap and is now stuck as an independent and who knows how long that is sustainable.

 

[Falco]

A few things...one, UMD was bleeding money after expanding their stadium without demand and had to leave the ACC in order to pay for their team. LSU is in Baton Rouge, which has no professional teams, so are both Florida (Gainesville) and Florida State (Tallahassee). Oregon is funded by Nike.

Also, look at the history of all of those schools and when they started playing football. They also all belong to the exclusive BCS system. Let me know when a slot opens up in one of those conferences that would let a school like George Mason in.

Mason missed the boat of football. Had it started in 1998 (which I think was the last year it came close) it would be a different situation and it's possible we'd be in a decent conference (like CUSA or AAC), but as it stands we'd be either stuck in FCS forever or forced into joining a conference like the Sun Belt (sorry, Herdon, I'm not sacrificing A-10 basketball for Sun Belt football).

UMass made the leap and is now stuck as an independent and who knows how long that is sustainable.

All fair arguments. I know Mason has a lot of competition surrounding the university. That's why I applied, so much to do outside the university.

That said Mason has one things most schools don't. Alumni live relatively close. Who graduates tech and lives in Blacksburg?

All that said, I understand some of the alumni are ok with no football or they wouldn't have enrolled in Mason to begin with. Unfortunately I'm one of those guys who enrolled thinking eventually Mason would have football.

So again I'll go back to that quote, "he who thinks he can, and he who thinks he can't are usually both right"

We can sit here all day and find the reasons why it doesn't work, or we could sit here and find out how to make it work.

 

[Falco]

Also like the Mention some programs that play in a metropolitan area with professional sports.

South Florida- Tampa bay
Boston College- NE Patriots
Pittsburg- Stealers
Temple- Eagles
Georgia- alanta Falcons
Georgia state- Falcons and Georgia, Georgia tech. Not the best team but they find a way to fund a program

My point is, if Mason wanted it they find a way. Other schools were able to find a way. Some might say it's a different time now, things are more difficult. But again Charlotte university found a way in 2015. Odu found a way.

Since 2011-15 36 programs have been added. 6 of which are fbs.

 

[GMUgemini]

Also like the Mention some programs that play in a metropolitan area with professional sports.

South Florida- Tampa bay
Boston College- NE Patriots
Pittsburg- Stealers
Temple- Eagles
Georgia- alanta Falcons
Georgia state- Falcons and Georgia, Georgia tech. Not the best team but they find a way to fund a program

My point is, if Mason wanted it they find a way. Other schools were able to find a way. Some might say it's a different time now, things are more difficult. But again Charlotte university found a way in 2015. Odu found a way.

Since 2011-15 36 programs have been added. 6 of which are fbs.

Most of the schools on that list I wouldn't consider to be highly successful programs.

Also since the last expansion, there has been a moratorium placed on anyone else moving up. The BCS schools also voted themselves more autonomy from the NCAA while making it harder for non-BCS schools to break into the newly created BCS playoffs. It is not a good time to be a non-BCS football member of the NCAA. Even if the BCS expands again, it's going to be taking schools like UConn, Cincinatti, and Memphis. And I don't really see anyone expanding outside of the Big 12, which just voted NOT to expand (Big 10 is at 14, the ACC is at 14, the SEC is at 14; outisde of the BCS CUSA is at 13, MAC is at 12, AAC is at 12 -- these are pregnant conferences already).

Let us not forget that the Virginia legislature also made it more difficult for schools to support programs with student fees, so doubling students fees a la ODU to start a football program isn't going to work at Mason.

UGA is also in Athens, Georgia, which is 72 miles away from Atlanta and also has almost 120 years of history.

I'm not really sure why we can't just be happy building a premier basketball program like so many schools in the Big East and A-10 (and yes I know some of them play non-scholarship or limited scholarship football, but that's neither here nor there). We should be looking to schools like Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Dayton, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, vcu and Davidson instead of trying to figure out how UCLA and Pitt and Miami can field both football and basketball in pro-sports towns.

edit: I also forgot to mention that starting an FCS level program at this point might be hard, too, considering there's no way the CAA will allow us to join ever, and the SoCon won't let us join as a football affiliate. That leaves you with maybe the Pioneer or Northeast Conferences, neither of which are ideal fits.