Because the NCAA and universities have done such a great job up until now...
I'd rather see voluntary funding go to these programs rather than have these poorly run institutions forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers.
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I'd rather see voluntary funding go to these programs rather than have these poorly run institutions forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers.
2011WinOverVillanova
Sixth Man
You realize that your "voluntary donation" vision would probably doom us to a bleak future?
We're not a self sufficient program like Kentucky is. Would that be nice? Sure. But we have a ways to go as far as building fundraising relationships (Shouldn't Daryl Green be doing this?)
As far as "forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers". Each institution is different. I'd argue Gregory Washington, apart from the cricket stadium flub up, is doing okay. We have two good coaches in Vanessa and Tony. Time will tell how he approaches other facilities.
The answer is investing in athletics as a front door. The answer isn't Atlas Shrugged Fiscal Austerity by shifting to voluntary donations.
I didn’t say it should all be private, but the hand wringing that occurs when someone comes up with an idea to fund it without burdening people that don’t have a real say is so predictable and tiresome.
He has flubbed or almost flubbed many things, some of the most important things, too (handling English, almost flubbed Tony, logo and rebranding, etc.). The cricket thing wasn’t really his issue so I am not counting that. He has made some decent decisions, too, though. I’ll give a C as a grade.
2011WinOverVillanova
Sixth Man
The logo/rebranding from what I’ve read is all his decision and He did the same thing at Brown to leave his mark. But that infamous picture of him riding in the car wearing two different logos shows the jury is out on whether we present one clear logo to the world. What’s stopping us from doing “George Mason basketball presented by (private equity firm)”? Half of the money could go to athletics and half could go to the endowment or to scholarships for students. Creative thinking is needed. Remains to be seen if He’ll try creative ideas.
I think you are getting the athletic director and university president mixed up.
OP
- Thread Starter
- #726
well that era of NIL is over at TheU.
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Miami NIL King John Ruiz’s Business Is Tanking
The company of Ruiz, who has committed millions of dollars to Miami’s athletes in NIL deals, lost $211 million between March and June.
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Detailed article on average NIL income by sport, position, etc. Should be a "gift" article so no pay wall for those without NY Times subscription.
www.nytimes.com
In College Sports’ Big Money Era, Here’s Where the Dollars Go
On average, $1 million for S.E.C. quarterbacks; guards who earn a quarter of that: The New York Times examined the so-called Black Book, a kind of Zillow for college sports, that details athletes’ expected annual pay.
Pablo
Hall of Famer
"Estimated NCAA Revenue Sharing 2025-26: Other NCAA I Schools
This data includes NCAA I public universities that are not members of either a P5 or G5 conference – the table can be sorted by school, conference, revenue or 2025 revenue sharing cap.| NCAA Revenue Sharing Estimates 2025-26 * | Conference | Annual Revenue | 22% of Revenue | 2025 Cap |
|---|
| Idaho | Big Sky | 5,475,898 | 1,204,698 | 1,204,698 |
| Florida A&M | SWAC | 5,291,597 | 1,164,151 | 1,164,151 |
| Rhode Island | A10 | 5,264,067 | 1,158,095 | 1,158,095 |
| Albany | AM East | 5,221,198 | 1,148,664 | 1,148,664 |
| Northern Iowa | MVC | 5,080,013 | 1,117,603 | 1,117,603 |
| California Polytechnic | Big West | 5,078,219 | 1,117,208 | 1,117,208 |
| Southern | SWAC | 5,018,375 | 1,104,043 | 1,104,043 |
| Sacramento State | Big Sky | 4,720,801 | 1,038,576 | 1,038,576 |
| George Mason | A10 | 4,620,770 | 1,016,569 | 1,016,569 |
| Stony Brook | CAA | 4,552,632 | 1,001,579 | 1,001,579 |
| Virginia Commonwealth | A10 | 7,602,581 | 1,672,568 | 1,672,568 |
* These are estimates of the maximum amount of Revenue sharing per school allowed under the proposed NCAA revenue sharing model scheduled to become effective for the 2025-26 fiscal year. Participation is optional, schools can elect not to share revenues with athletes or share revenues at an amount less than 22%. The annual cap of $ 21 million is the current estimate for the 2025-26 fiscal year. This cap is scheduled to increase to $ 33 million annually per school over the next ten years based on the proposed revenue sharing model. Revenue sharing is in addition to any NIL compensation and athletic scholarships received by athletes.
Data is currently available only for public colleges & universities, detailed data is not currently available for private colleges & universities. See our Methodology page for a summary of our data sources and procedures.
Computed revenue includes event tickets and admission fees, TV, media and royalty rights, bowl game and event compensation and all related revenues. Revenue does not include funds from school support, student fees or unrecompensed (i.e. charitable) contributions to the athletic department from alumni and boosters."
"Projected NIL Collective Funding by other NCAA I Schools:
Based on 2022 Total Booster & Fan support, the following is our estimate of NIL collective 2023-24 funding per school. Public universities only – private schools are not reported here due to lack of data. See our disclosure of Methodology as to how these estimates were arrived at:| Other NCAA I Schools Public Universities | 2023 Conf | Collective Funding | Total Support | Tickets | Contributions |
|---|
| George Mason University | A10 | $ 612,537 | 3,726,993 | 617,434 | 3,109,559 | |
| University of Rhode Island | A10 | $ 561,639 | 3,417,304 | 1,281,600 | 2,135,704 | |
| University of Nebraska at Omaha | Summit | $ 556,138 | 3,383,828 | 2,633,319 | 750,509 | |
| University of Tennessee-Chattanooga | Southern | $ 549,269 | 3,342,037 | 803,128 | 2,538,909 | |
| Indiana State University | MVC | $ 524,475 | 3,191,177 | 348,145 | 2,843,032 | |
| Southern Illinois University | MVC | $ 524,242 | 3,189,757 | 1,074,469 | 2,115,288 | |
| McNeese State University | Southland | $ 519,547 | 3,161,193 | 897,853 | 2,263,340 | |
| Stephen F Austin State University | WAC | $ 427,846 | 2,603,236 | 558,338 | 2,044,898 | |
| Towson University | CAA | $ 411,577 | 2,504,246 | 265,996 | 2,238,250 | |
| Murray State University | MVC | $ 409,722 | 2,492,963 | 1,273,984 | 1,218,979 |
| Virginia Commonwealth University | A10 | $ 902,755 | 5,492,825 | 2,132,585 | 3,360,240 |
* Important – see our disclosure of Methodology as to how these estimates were arrived at."
"NIL Collectives – Non-Power 5 / Group of 5 Conferences:
Based on the projected 2023-24 NIL Market, the following is our estimate of NIL Collective funding for other NCAA I Schools not in Power 5 or Group of 5 Conferences:| Totals - | 232 | 93 | 139 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| NIL Collectives - Other NCAA I Schools Non Power 5 / Group of 5 conferences | Total | with | w/o | |
| America East | 9 | 2 | 7 | |
| Atlantic 10 | 15 | 14 | 1 | |
| Atlantic Sun | 12 | 6 | 6 | |
| Big East | 11 | 11 | - | |
| Big Sky | 10 | 4 | 6 | |
| Big South | 9 | 3 | 6 | |
| Big West | 11 | 3 | 8 | |
| Coastal Athletic | 14 | 6 | 8 | |
| Horizon League | 11 | 5 | 6 | |
| Ivy League | 8 | - | 8 | |
| Metro Atlantic | 11 | 2 | 9 | |
| Mid-Eastern | 8 | 1 | 7 | |
| Missouri Valley | 12 | 10 | 2 | |
| Northeast | 9 | - | 9 | |
| Ohio Valley | 11 | - | 11 | |
| Patriot League | 10 | 1 | 9 | |
| Southern | 10 | 2 | 8 | |
| Southland | 10 | 4 | 6 | |
| Southwestern | 12 | 2 | 10 | |
| Summit League | 9 | 6 | 3 | |
| West Coast | 9 | 5 | 4 | |
| Western Athletic | 11 | 6 | 5" |
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OP
- Thread Starter
- #732
Hoping that all non Power 5 Conferences get behind this
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South Dakota AG Challenges House v. NCAA Settlement Proposal
The AG, as well as South Dakota universities, say the settlement is unfair for non-power conference schools and female athletes.
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Hoping that all non Power 5 Conferences get behind this
South Dakota AG Challenges House v. NCAA Settlement Proposal
The AG, as well as South Dakota universities, say the settlement is unfair for non-power conference schools and female athletes.
Yes. The rest of the NCAA members have been subjected to the greed at the top since at least the 1970s and now they’re expected to pay 60% of the payout of this settlement despite having 1/10th (at best?) of the revenue of the top leagues. Doesn’t seem fair.
Exactly. The "agreement" is a travesty. The issue was related to people denied NIL opportunities. Most, if not all, the plaintiffs were P5 and the money the P5 people get versus the rest of the conferences is probably well more than 9/10ths.
The logic they used to come up with the 60% for non-P5 was completely disingenuous. Instead of looking at the source of the problem and having the P5 pay their fair share, they switched to an unrelated apples to oranges analysis and said the non-P5 gets 60% of the money from the NCAA so they should pay for 60% of this settlement even thought they were probably 1% of the actual problem (at best).
Even worse, ONLY the P5s were consulted on the agreement. Gee, I wonder why they liked it.
Pablo
Hall of Famer
Vols up ticket costs by 10% to help pay athletes
Tennessee is increasing the cost of tickets for all sports by 10%, with the "talent fee" being used to help pay athletes as part of the revenue-sharing plan.
"KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- In what's believed to be the first arrangement of its kind, Tennessee fans for all sports will be charged a 10% 'talent fee' on tickets to help pay athletes as part of the new revenue-sharing plan set to begin in 2025.
The university shared the news with football season-ticket holders via email Tuesday, which included an impassioned four-minute video of athletic director Danny White telling fans the talent fee and other strategies were 'part of an extensive plan to continue our dominance in college athletics and build something like never seen before.'
In addition to the 10% increase on all ticket invoices -- season tickets and single-game purchases -- as well as donations for those seats, Tennessee will add an average increase of 4.5% on all football tickets.
'In this era of name, image and likeness (NIL), there has never been as close a connection between resources and competitive success,' said White, noting that Tennessee had captured the last three SEC All-Sports trophies. 'We want to be a leader in college sports. That means we want to be a leader in revenue sharing.'"
2011WinOverVillanova
Sixth Man
Vols up ticket costs by 10% to help pay athletes
Tennessee is increasing the cost of tickets for all sports by 10%, with the "talent fee" being used to help pay athletes as part of the revenue-sharing plan.www.espn.com
"KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- In what's believed to be the first arrangement of its kind, Tennessee fans for all sports will be charged a 10% 'talent fee' on tickets to help pay athletes as part of the new revenue-sharing plan set to begin in 2025.
The university shared the news with football season-ticket holders via email Tuesday, which included an impassioned four-minute video of athletic director Danny White telling fans the talent fee and other strategies were 'part of an extensive plan to continue our dominance in college athletics and build something like never seen before.'
In addition to the 10% increase on all ticket invoices -- season tickets and single-game purchases -- as well as donations for those seats, Tennessee will add an average increase of 4.5% on all football tickets.
'In this era of name, image and likeness (NIL), there has never been as close a connection between resources and competitive success,' said White, noting that Tennessee had captured the last three SEC All-Sports trophies. 'We want to be a leader in college sports. That means we want to be a leader in revenue sharing.'"
Is there anything stopping us from doing this with a smaller percentage for our talent fee?
We need every dollar to battle against GW and vcu for Atlantic 10 Championships! Go Mason!
Lack of demand? The possibility of turning away the few people who want to come to our games? The reality that the juice probably wouldn’t be worth the squeeze for 4,000 average attendance versus 100,000 plus for home football games at Rocky Top?
Other than that, I got nothing lol.
2011WinOverVillanova
Sixth Man
15-16 home games. 3500 on average. If each ticket had a 10 dollar fee per game? We’re looking at 560,000 in revenue. If we do it over two years? We can try to get a 5 star NBA caliber player who could get a one year one million dollar deal. Why not save up and roll the dice to try to get our Marcus Camby?
GW is battling to stay out of last place not championships.
2011WinOverVillanova
Sixth Man
My larger point regarding trying to bring in NBA caliber talent stands.
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