NIL Thread

[gmubrian]

Because as we all know nothing could possibly go wrong once private equity takes over college athletics…

Because the NCAA and universities have done such a great job up until now...
I'd rather see voluntary funding go to these programs rather than have these poorly run institutions forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers.

 

[2011WinOverVillanova]

Because the NCAA and universities have done such a great job up until now...
I'd rather see voluntary funding go to these programs rather than have these poorly run institutions forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers.

You realize that your "voluntary donation" vision would probably doom us to a bleak future?

We're not a self sufficient program like Kentucky is. Would that be nice? Sure. But we have a ways to go as far as building fundraising relationships (Shouldn't Daryl Green be doing this?)

As far as "forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers". Each institution is different. I'd argue Gregory Washington, apart from the cricket stadium flub up, is doing okay. We have two good coaches in Vanessa and Tony. Time will tell how he approaches other facilities.

The answer is investing in athletics as a front door. The answer isn't Atlas Shrugged Fiscal Austerity by shifting to voluntary donations.

 

[gmubrian]

You realize that your "voluntary donation" vision would probably doom us to a bleak future?

We're not a self sufficient program like Kentucky is. Would that be nice? Sure. But we have a ways to go as far as building fundraising relationships (Shouldn't Daryl Green be doing this?)

As far as "forcibly taking money from students and taxpayers". Each institution is different. I'd argue Gregory Washington, apart from the cricket stadium flub up, is doing okay. We have two good coaches in Vanessa and Tony. Time will tell how he approaches other facilities.

The answer is investing in athletics as a front door. The answer isn't Atlas Shrugged Fiscal Austerity by shifting to voluntary donations.

I didn’t say it should all be private, but the hand wringing that occurs when someone comes up with an idea to fund it without burdening people that don’t have a real say is so predictable and tiresome.

He has flubbed or almost flubbed many things, some of the most important things, too (handling English, almost flubbed Tony, logo and rebranding, etc.). The cricket thing wasn’t really his issue so I am not counting that. He has made some decent decisions, too, though. I’ll give a C as a grade.

 

[2011WinOverVillanova]

I didn’t say it should all be private, but the hand wringing that occurs when someone comes up with an idea to fund it without burdening people that don’t have a real say is so predictable and tiresome.

He has flubbed or almost flubbed many things, some of the most important things, too (handling English, almost flubbed Tony, logo and rebranding, etc.). The cricket thing wasn’t really his issue so I am not counting that. He has made some decent decisions, too, though. I’ll give a C as a grade.

The logo/rebranding from what I’ve read is all his decision and He did the same thing at Brown to leave his mark. But that infamous picture of him riding in the car wearing two different logos shows the jury is out on whether we present one clear logo to the world. What’s stopping us from doing “George Mason basketball presented by (private equity firm)”? Half of the money could go to athletics and half could go to the endowment or to scholarships for students. Creative thinking is needed. Remains to be seen if He’ll try creative ideas.

 

[tblack33]

The logo/rebranding from what I’ve read is all his decision and He did the same thing at Brown to leave his mark. But that infamous picture of him riding in the car wearing two different logos shows the jury is out on whether we present one clear logo to the world. What’s stopping us from doing “George Mason basketball presented by (private equity firm)”? Half of the money could go to athletics and half could go to the endowment or to scholarships for students. Creative thinking is needed. Remains to be seen if He’ll try creative ideas.

I think you are getting the athletic director and university president mixed up.

 

[jessej]

well that era of NIL is over at TheU.

Miami NIL King John Ruiz’s Business Is Tanking

The company of Ruiz, who has committed millions of dollars to Miami’s athletes in NIL deals, lost $211 million between March and June.

frontofficesports.com

 

[jessej]

QR Codes on jerseys?

Send them cash after great plays???

 

[FlPatriot]

Definite motivator…I guess.

 

[psyclone]

Detailed article on average NIL income by sport, position, etc. Should be a "gift" article so no pay wall for those without NY Times subscription.

In College Sports’ Big Money Era, Here’s Where the Dollars Go

On average, $1 million for S.E.C. quarterbacks; guards who earn a quarter of that: The New York Times examined the so-called Black Book, a kind of Zillow for college sports, that details athletes’ expected annual pay.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Pablo]

NCAA Revenue Sharing & NIL Collectives – Other NCAA I Schools – NCAA Athlete Revenue Sharing, Scholarships & NIL Collectives by School

nil-ncaa.com

"Estimated NCAA Revenue Sharing 2025-26: Other NCAA I Schools​

This data includes NCAA I public universities that are not members of either a P5 or G5 conference – the table can be sorted by school, conference, revenue or 2025 revenue sharing cap.

NCAA Revenue Sharing Estimates 2025-26 *	Conference	Annual Revenue	22% of Revenue	2025 Cap

Idaho	Big Sky	5,475,898	1,204,698	1,204,698
Florida A&M	SWAC	5,291,597	1,164,151	1,164,151
Rhode Island	A10	5,264,067	1,158,095	1,158,095
Albany	AM East	5,221,198	1,148,664	1,148,664
Northern Iowa	MVC	5,080,013	1,117,603	1,117,603
California Polytechnic	Big West	5,078,219	1,117,208	1,117,208
Southern	SWAC	5,018,375	1,104,043	1,104,043
Sacramento State	Big Sky	4,720,801	1,038,576	1,038,576
George Mason	A10	4,620,770	1,016,569	1,016,569
Stony Brook	CAA	4,552,632	1,001,579	1,001,579

Virginia Commonwealth

A10

7,602,581

1,672,568

1,672,568

* These are estimates of the maximum amount of Revenue sharing per school allowed under the proposed NCAA revenue sharing model scheduled to become effective for the 2025-26 fiscal year. Participation is optional, schools can elect not to share revenues with athletes or share revenues at an amount less than 22%. The annual cap of $ 21 million is the current estimate for the 2025-26 fiscal year. This cap is scheduled to increase to $ 33 million annually per school over the next ten years based on the proposed revenue sharing model. Revenue sharing is in addition to any NIL compensation and athletic scholarships received by athletes.

Data is currently available only for public colleges & universities, detailed data is not currently available for private colleges & universities. See our Methodology page for a summary of our data sources and procedures.

Computed revenue includes event tickets and admission fees, TV, media and royalty rights, bowl game and event compensation and all related revenues. Revenue does not include funds from school support, student fees or unrecompensed (i.e. charitable) contributions to the athletic department from alumni and boosters."

"Projected NIL Collective Funding by other NCAA I Schools:​

Based on 2022 Total Booster & Fan support, the following is our estimate of NIL collective 2023-24 funding per school. Public universities only – private schools are not reported here due to lack of data. See our disclosure of Methodology as to how these estimates were arrived at:

Other NCAA I Schools Public Universities	2023 Conf		Collective Funding	Total Support	Tickets	Contributions

George Mason University	A10		$ 612,537	3,726,993	617,434	3,109,559
University of Rhode Island	A10		$ 561,639	3,417,304	1,281,600	2,135,704
University of Nebraska at Omaha	Summit		$ 556,138	3,383,828	2,633,319	750,509
University of Tennessee-Chattanooga	Southern		$ 549,269	3,342,037	803,128	2,538,909
Indiana State University	MVC		$ 524,475	3,191,177	348,145	2,843,032
Southern Illinois University	MVC		$ 524,242	3,189,757	1,074,469	2,115,288
McNeese State University	Southland		$ 519,547	3,161,193	897,853	2,263,340
Stephen F Austin State University	WAC		$ 427,846	2,603,236	558,338	2,044,898
Towson University	CAA		$ 411,577	2,504,246	265,996	2,238,250
Murray State University	MVC		$ 409,722	2,492,963	1,273,984	1,218,979

Virginia Commonwealth University

A10

$ 902,755

5,492,825

2,132,585

3,360,240

* Important – see our disclosure of Methodology as to how these estimates were arrived at."

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"NIL Collectives – Non-Power 5 / Group of 5 Conferences:​

Based on the projected 2023-24 NIL Market, the following is our estimate of NIL Collective funding for other NCAA I Schools not in Power 5 or Group of 5 Conferences:

Totals -		232	93	139
NIL Collectives - Other NCAA I Schools Non Power 5 / Group of 5 conferences		Total	with	w/o
America East		9	2	7
Atlantic 10		15	14	1
Atlantic Sun		12	6	6
Big East		11	11	-
Big Sky		10	4	6
Big South		9	3	6
Big West		11	3	8
Coastal Athletic		14	6	8
Horizon League		11	5	6
Ivy League		8	-	8
Metro Atlantic		11	2	9
Mid-Eastern		8	1	7
Missouri Valley		12	10	2
Northeast		9	-	9
Ohio Valley		11	-	11
Patriot League		10	1	9
Southern		10	2	8
Southland		10	4	6
Southwestern		12	2	10
Summit League		9	6	3
West Coast		9	5	4
Western Athletic		11	6	5"

 

[Walter]

 

[jessej]

Hoping that all non Power 5 Conferences get behind this

South Dakota AG Challenges House v. NCAA Settlement Proposal

The AG, as well as South Dakota universities, say the settlement is unfair for non-power conference schools and female athletes.

frontofficesports.com

 

[GMUgemini]

Hoping that all non Power 5 Conferences get behind this

South Dakota AG Challenges House v. NCAA Settlement Proposal

The AG, as well as South Dakota universities, say the settlement is unfair for non-power conference schools and female athletes.

frontofficesports.com

Yes. The rest of the NCAA members have been subjected to the greed at the top since at least the 1970s and now they’re expected to pay 60% of the payout of this settlement despite having 1/10th (at best?) of the revenue of the top leagues. Doesn’t seem fair.

 

[gmubrian]

Yes. The rest of the NCAA members have been subjected to the greed at the top since at least the 1970s and now they’re expected to pay 60% of the payout of this settlement despite having 1/10th (at best?) of the revenue of the top leagues. Doesn’t seem fair.

Exactly. The "agreement" is a travesty. The issue was related to people denied NIL opportunities. Most, if not all, the plaintiffs were P5 and the money the P5 people get versus the rest of the conferences is probably well more than 9/10ths.

The logic they used to come up with the 60% for non-P5 was completely disingenuous. Instead of looking at the source of the problem and having the P5 pay their fair share, they switched to an unrelated apples to oranges analysis and said the non-P5 gets 60% of the money from the NCAA so they should pay for 60% of this settlement even thought they were probably 1% of the actual problem (at best).

Even worse, ONLY the P5s were consulted on the agreement. Gee, I wonder why they liked it.