NIL Thread
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Who is Brian Mull anyway?
Can you please post the particulars. The damage is already done. Might as well at this point.
CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY
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So, would it be okay if Bill asks questions about what the hell is going on with NIL going forward since the rules are incredibly nebulous and nobody understands them or would that make him a extinct dinosaur?
Why would you want people to just blindly cheerlead something that isn't even defined? That seems like a poor life strategy in general.
Bill has been doing this 30 years, has hosted multiple radio shows in different cities, and has interviewed people of note (and, others, like Durlak) forever. He generally asks pretty good questions.
I guess my question is, what's wrong with what Bill asked? Actually, I would love to know more about what is legal and how this new system works. I appreciate Brian Dunbar spilling as much info as possible.
If that's okay with you, of course. I know the new journalism has been abridged to retweeting what others say on Twitter, but curious.
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CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY
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I would hate to think I might go extinct someday like Bill has made himself. I would at least hope the Miami thread would live on forever.
Is there a specific question you have, if so I’ll do my best to answer. I know many have issues with NIL for one reason or another, but it is the name of the game right now. Jumping on each other here isn’t going to help.
Damn we are going back in time. Can’t say I remember the specifics, however I believe the question was regarding the legality of the NIL model as opposed to digging into what is allowed and what isnt. Obviously, it was legal. For me, it came off as skeptical as opposed to curious.
I’ll bow out of this mini-saga with this: I promote involvement in the collective because the members of that group are the reason we have a team, and their support and commitment played a significant role in Tony coming home. Durlak, Kathy, Brian, etc pour a ton into the program, and I believe their efforts relative to the collective should be commended, and those who are willing and able should join them in the overall effort.
I have a good understanding of the process because of what I do for a living, and even though where I work and who I root for are at opposite ends of the NIL spectrum, there are relative similarities that I and others and draw from. Maybe I should’ve joined in the education process on here and shared general insights on NIL alongside my personal promotion of the collective. I didn’t, and will await my day of reckoning, if it hasn’t already arrived.
Looking forward to following, covering, and sharing info on the transfer portal, and summer grassroots circuits. See y’all in the recruiting threads.
CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY
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I agree the enemy is out there not in here. If bald, proudly flexible guy agrees to donate seven dollars to the collective in Bill Rohlands name I will drop my quarrel with him.
My questions are for later.
Didn’t have time to complete my earlier post as we were taxiing down the runway for takeoff at the time…
@Patriot8 is a great guy and I consider him a friend even if we disagree on recent topics. He does a lot for Mason through recruiting and providing information and connections on NIL and collectives.
I like @CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY as well and I find him to be one of the most entertaining people. Sometimes I can’t tell when he is ridiculing me, doxing me or agreeing with me, but that is part of his charm.
Like it or not, NIL is the name of the game and we need to support it as a program if we want to compete with our A10 peers.
@Patriot8 is a great guy and I consider him a friend even if we disagree on recent topics. He does a lot for Mason through recruiting and providing information and connections on NIL and collectives.
I like @CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY as well and I find him to be one of the most entertaining people. Sometimes I can’t tell when he is ridiculing me, doxing me or agreeing with me, but that is part of his charm.
Like it or not, NIL is the name of the game and we need to support it as a program if we want to compete with our A10 peers.
Co-sign
Yes, are they getting free Whoppers, or are we competitive?
I'll let @gmubrian handle this one in detail- but everything I have heard going back to the creation of the collective is that we are competitive.
Tony also wouldn't take the Mason job without a promise of significant NIL investment and availability.
Details would be nice, but even without them, it's good to know we have something solid in place. Thanks.
Well at the very least I'll add, if we weren't competitive, we don't get the likes of Darius Maddox or Keyshawn Hall to consider Mason.
Probably notable, maybe not, but not a single person affiliated in anyway with the program has interacted at all with any of Keys social media posts which is a bit abnormal especially for something like this. Not a single player, coach, manager, liked, retweeted, responded, etc. If this were really going the way he makes it out to be I’d expect some form of support from teammates, but their silence is pretty deafening. I think he’s full of shit and will end up blaming the “hurt ankle”, then when he transfers after the season his camp vaguely blaming the Mason fan base for turning on him as a reason he left.
One thing that probably helps to understand better that NIL is not some program managed by a single entity. It may even be managed by a multiple entities at associated with particular school. It is a concept and it applies to you and me and everyone else, including the players. They just have more value with their Name, Image and Likeness than you are I typically do. A player can have an NIL deal with many different entities within the (few remaining) rules of the NCAA, state laws, school rules as well as even immigration rules. As an aside, two restrictions that are in place are that neither the school or the coach can contribute to NIL deals.
Jim McKay Chevrolet (thanks to Kathy, obviously) has deals with multiple players from what I have heard her mention. Those are private deals between Jim McKay and and the player. I believe the player has to report them to Mason per a school rule.
There is the Patriot Nation Collective. That is the collective that I help out with. It is a way to pool money from many sources, large and small, to make NIL deals with the players. I am not at liberty to give details about specifically what the players get. I can confirm that it is better than whoppers as they were served burgers from Red Robin at one event
. It was the first collective in the A10 and in the first year we were the leader. I don't know all of the other programs, but, I know many have quickly formed and become competitive and suspect some have exceeded us now with some of the announcements i have seen recently. For example, there is the Woj related pledge which, if everything goes as planned, would be worth $150k. Woj NIL Conribution. Our collective added support for the Women's basketball team this year. I tell anyone who will listen that our fans and anyone who cares about the success of Mason basketball owes a debt of gratitude to Chris Durlak. He is the one who started this and does, probably, 95% of the work on running it. Without his efforts, we would have likely had some pretty abysmal seasons the last 2 years.
Those are the only two I know of.
Jim McKay Chevrolet (thanks to Kathy, obviously) has deals with multiple players from what I have heard her mention. Those are private deals between Jim McKay and and the player. I believe the player has to report them to Mason per a school rule.
There is the Patriot Nation Collective. That is the collective that I help out with. It is a way to pool money from many sources, large and small, to make NIL deals with the players. I am not at liberty to give details about specifically what the players get. I can confirm that it is better than whoppers as they were served burgers from Red Robin at one event
. It was the first collective in the A10 and in the first year we were the leader. I don't know all of the other programs, but, I know many have quickly formed and become competitive and suspect some have exceeded us now with some of the announcements i have seen recently. For example, there is the Woj related pledge which, if everything goes as planned, would be worth $150k. Woj NIL Conribution. Our collective added support for the Women's basketball team this year. I tell anyone who will listen that our fans and anyone who cares about the success of Mason basketball owes a debt of gratitude to Chris Durlak. He is the one who started this and does, probably, 95% of the work on running it. Without his efforts, we would have likely had some pretty abysmal seasons the last 2 years. Those are the only two I know of.
Thanks for that!One thing that probably helps to understand better that NIL is not some program managed by a single entity. It may even be managed by a multiple entities at associated with particular school. It is a concept and it applies to you and me and everyone else, including the players. They just have more value with their Name, Image and Likeness than you are I typically do. A player can have an NIL deal with many different entities within the (few remaining) rules of the NCAA, state laws, school rules as well as even immigration rules. As an aside, two restrictions that are in place are that neither the school or the coach can contribute to NIL deals.
Jim McKay Chevrolet (thanks to Kathy, obviously) has deals with multiple players from what I have heard her mention. Those are private deals between Jim McKay and and the player. I believe the player has to report them to Mason per a school rule.
There is the Patriot Nation Collective. That is the collective that I help out with. It is a way to pool money from many sources, large and small, to make NIL deals with the players. I am not at liberty to give details about specifically what the players get. I can confirm that it is better than whoppers as they were served burgers from Red Robin at one event
Those are the only two I know of.
One thing that probably helps to understand better that NIL is not some program managed by a single entity. It may even be managed by a multiple entities at associated with particular school. It is a concept and it applies to you and me and everyone else, including the players. They just have more value with their Name, Image and Likeness than you are I typically do. A player can have an NIL deal with many different entities within the (few remaining) rules of the NCAA, state laws, school rules as well as even immigration rules. As an aside, two restrictions that are in place are that neither the school or the coach can contribute to NIL deals.
Jim McKay Chevrolet (thanks to Kathy, obviously) has deals with multiple players from what I have heard her mention. Those are private deals between Jim McKay and and the player. I believe the player has to report them to Mason per a school rule.
There is the Patriot Nation Collective. That is the collective that I help out with. It is a way to pool money from many sources, large and small, to make NIL deals with the players. I am not at liberty to give details about specifically what the players get. I can confirm that it is better than whoppers as they were served burgers from Red Robin at one event
Those are the only two I know of.
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Im assuming there is a website?
How many people have donated?
Is money invested at all or just stored and paid out?
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