Two words: Dog. House.
Game 8: GMU (5-2 / 1-0) vs Dayton (4-2 / 0-1) on Saturday, January 2, at 4:30PM.
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Two words: Dog. House.
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Chris and Bryan join Sully on the Talking out LOWD podcast to preview the Dayton game. There’s a lot of venting about the state of the program, if you’re looking for a good vent sesh, give it a listen.
Disclaimer: we recorded it before the UmASS game.
https://soundcloud.com/talkingoutlowd/1231-george-mason-preview
Disclaimer: we recorded it before the UmASS game.
https://soundcloud.com/talkingoutlowd/1231-george-mason-preview
Pablo
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It's unfair to suggest that Chase Johnson may have been kicked out of school - https://www.daytondailynews.com/spo...s-for-second-time/7PAUQGMNQJFZBOGNIVI22O3FKM/:
"Dayton Flyers forward Chase Johnson announced Wednesday on Instagram he’s stepping away from basketball to focus on his health and school.
The decision by Johnson, a redshirt junior forward who started the first five games, comes almost one year after he left the program and took a medical leave of absence after being diagnosed with post-concussive stress syndrome. He announced last summer he would return to the program."
Herndon
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So, I can't be the only one curious about the idea of Kolek starting at point.
Like, no he's not a cat quit dribbler and no he's not going to blow by you with moves and stuff but he'sa good passer, he sees the floor well, and he's a good enough ball handler to bring the ball up and initiate offense.
He's also aggressive enough to try stuff. Hartwell's passivity and Johnson being a non-shooter hamstrings us, and sliding him to the point allows us to bring Miller into the starting lineup. It also means we'd have the ball in the hands of a solid free throw shooter down the stretch, which lately has really been a doozy
Am I crazy on this one?
Like, no he's not a cat quit dribbler and no he's not going to blow by you with moves and stuff but he'sa good passer, he sees the floor well, and he's a good enough ball handler to bring the ball up and initiate offense.
He's also aggressive enough to try stuff. Hartwell's passivity and Johnson being a non-shooter hamstrings us, and sliding him to the point allows us to bring Miller into the starting lineup. It also means we'd have the ball in the hands of a solid free throw shooter down the stretch, which lately has really been a doozy
Am I crazy on this one?
He’s kicked out of school. No grades per Dayton’s beat writer. Second year in a row. The concussion stuff is folk lore
Not at all. Excellent take IMO
I’ll disagree, I’d prefer him coming off of screens to be an immediate shooting threat. Ideally he’s not going to shoot it off one pass, but just having him come up off a down screen from the corner to initiate some off ball motion in the offense will open the floor up a lot more because the D will have to respect his shooting abilities. If I were the coach and looking to make a change at PG I’d slide Javon over to the point and plug Miller at the 3. Javons actually a pretty decent passer and average ball handler. Led the team in assists last year with pretty much the exact same roster. Much more of a threat to score over XJ/Hartwell. But it is a tough hypothetical “what if”.
You’d have to be confident that Javon is going to be your initiator in the half-court for it to work, I think.
Yeah it’s a really tough call, and I don’t think XJ at the starting point is necessarily broken/what’s wrong, I think he brings a lot to the table. Just have to find a way to get Miller in the starting rotation while not missing out on everything Kolek/Javon bring to the table. Tough to do because their skill sets are all so wildly different.
I've floated this idea as well — similar to how Luke was used at times under Coach L — and like that it does make us a little bigger and more potent offensively. Javon is good enough to be a second ballhander, and Miller is a decent third option. I understand tblack's concerns, but once we get the ball up the court and start our motionless-motion offense, it really doesn't matter if a true PG is on the floor.
My biggest concern: As much as I like a starting lineup of Kolek, Green, Miller, AJ and Oduro, it makes our second team very limited offensively with XJ, Hartwell, Calixte, Haidara and Polite — with Jamal really being the only scoring threat. If Paulsen was creative, he could find a way to sub the bench guys in sporadically to limit the lack of offensive productivity.
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Pablo
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The byline of the link that I provided indicates it was written by the Dayton Flyers' beat writer for the Dayton Daily News.
Love this discussion but I don't think I agree with moving Kolek to the point.
The way I see it, the ballscreen motion offense needs guards to be good at attacking downhill off of ballscreens in order to be effective. We have not had this for various reasons - XJ doesn't have a jumper to fear so defenders can sag, Jamal struggles with physicality, no one is hitting deep balls to stretch the defense, etc - so our problems on offense start at the point of attack. We've all seen dozens of ballscreens per game, and sometimes more than one per possession, where the screen fails, the ballhandler goes nowhere, and the ball swings around the perimeter harmlessly. This is the fundamental problem, it's why buckets always feel difficult, and I don't think moving Kolek to the point changes this.
I'd rather keep him primarily off-ball. Having a shooter that you need to stay out on is valuable in any offense, but opening up room for XJ and Jamal to create is desperately needed. Kolek is still a huge part of the offense but doing most of his damage coming off screens and curls. Not married to this take and maybe he'll be a fine PG but I don't quite see it yet.
The way I see it, the ballscreen motion offense needs guards to be good at attacking downhill off of ballscreens in order to be effective. We have not had this for various reasons - XJ doesn't have a jumper to fear so defenders can sag, Jamal struggles with physicality, no one is hitting deep balls to stretch the defense, etc - so our problems on offense start at the point of attack. We've all seen dozens of ballscreens per game, and sometimes more than one per possession, where the screen fails, the ballhandler goes nowhere, and the ball swings around the perimeter harmlessly. This is the fundamental problem, it's why buckets always feel difficult, and I don't think moving Kolek to the point changes this.
I'd rather keep him primarily off-ball. Having a shooter that you need to stay out on is valuable in any offense, but opening up room for XJ and Jamal to create is desperately needed. Kolek is still a huge part of the offense but doing most of his damage coming off screens and curls. Not married to this take and maybe he'll be a fine PG but I don't quite see it yet.
Ok well check Twitter because the beat writer said grades. So did their version of by George
Pablo
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David Jablonski
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Dec 30, 2020
Dayton's Chase Johnson on stepping away from basketball: "This has been a very hard decision to make. But after a long road of obstacles, it has become clear that my health means more to me than anything at hand."
[URL='https://t.co/Bx69uN8d8w?amp=1']Chase Johnson leaves Dayton Flyers for second time
Dayton Flyers forward Chase Johnson announced Wednesday on Instagram he’s stepping away from basketball to focus on his health and school.
daytondailynews.com[/URL]
Herndon
All-Conference
I completely understand where you and t black are coming from. I would argue that kolek is better suited as an off guard that is a point guard as well.
I just wonder whether the step down from kolek at 2 to kolek at 1 is more than offset from the step up between having Johnson and the game and having Miller in the game.
I also understand that you mix and match throughout the game so that lineup can be together without necessarily having to start together, but I would like to see some experiment minutes with him at point at least.
him coming over a ball screen is a lot scarier than Johnson coming over at ball screen, imo
Yeah, I’m in the boat that Kolek needs to be more of the shooting guard that comes off screens and be put in the position to shoot the ball. While his ball handling is pretty good I think that’s where he’s best suited.
if another guy breaks out to be a shooter like Frazier, I could see him switching between the two. Hartwell plays off the ball some, but I feel like he struggles to create at times. However we’ve also seen games where he comes up big like the other night. I also feel like the better Hartwell plays the better off the team is, but he’s also a defensive liability in a few ways so it’s double edged.
if another guy breaks out to be a shooter like Frazier, I could see him switching between the two. Hartwell plays off the ball some, but I feel like he struggles to create at times. However we’ve also seen games where he comes up big like the other night. I also feel like the better Hartwell plays the better off the team is, but he’s also a defensive liability in a few ways so it’s double edged.
Mason32
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What happened to By George podcasts?
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No excuses but Chris just had his first baby and Bryan welcomed his 2nd. Will drop our first of the season next week after a couple A10 games.
Congrats to you both!
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