Game 21: AT St. Louis, Feb 1st, 2:30 EST/1:30 CST, NBCSN

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Watched the highlights on gomason.com and then watched the 2nd half this morning. Anyone blaming Hewitt for the last shot is an absolute moron. Moore created dozens of opportunities for us today off the dribble - either with his baskets, finding a post player underneath, or kicking it out. This was exactly what Hewitt wanted in the last shot, but for some reason Moore pulled up for the jump shot.
OK, call me the moron then. Maybe Moore did that because he's never been in that situation before with him being a relatively inexperienced freshmen. Why not a high ball screen in that situation to free Moore up if that's the play....Nah, let's just blame the 18 year old kid who screwed everything up.
 

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Yep - you are a moron... when did I ever blame Moore? What I said was a long jump shot by Moore was not what Hewitt wanted.

I'm 38 years old. I never played basketball past middle school. Even I knew the instruction given was to drive and kick out. Moore thought he had a chance with the jump shot - I don't fault him for that. He had a decent look. My problem is with moron fans who they that was the shot that Hewitt drew up - it was not.

It's our same moron fans that complained when either BA or SW handled the ball at the end of games and turned it over and complained why we didn't have a PG handling the ball... now we have a PG with the ball and we are complaining because he's too young. Guess what? We are running out of f'ing people to handle the ball at the end! No BA, no SW, and now no MM... I guess we better have J2 or Copes handle the ball at the end?
 

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I'm not a huge fan of that kind of play at the end anyway. I would have preferred them to get into some kind of an offense with about 15 seconds left to try to move the defense and get a better look. If we turn the ball over and lose the game, so be it.
 
Look at the video. Look to Moore's left. It came late, but Allen is free for a pass and 16-18 foot jumper, but Moore doesn't get it to him.
 
I am very pleased that Moore recognized his man was sagging to the basket and took the shot. Bodes well for his future.

Yeah, it wasn't ideal. But it is very rare to get a shot that is in that situation.

Now, if we had an extra timeout, you could call it when the clock was at 6-10 seconds, but do you really want this team inbounding the ball twice? I don't.
 

Quentin Daniels

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Team keeps playing their guts out. As fans, we need to credit and appreciate that.

You got to hope at some point the emotional toll of "so close" & "almost" each and every week while the winless streak continues doesn't get to them. It has to be tough to see a lead evaporate and not immediately think - "uh oh, here we go again."
 

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I am coming late to the conversation. I would say this was Hewitt's best coached game for a long while. That might not be saying much... Except for the Okoloji sighting in the first half and the continued Pavlovian time out calling, he did what I would expect of a decent coach ( in game).

The only thing I did not like from a coaching perspective was the holding the ball until about 7 seconds left in regulation. The OCM would have played it the same way, though. I just hate that type of thing. I believe in playing the type of game that got you here in the first place. The way we were doing at offensive rebounding, we could have played a normal offensive set and hoped for a second chance if we missed the first shot.
 

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I am coming late to the conversation. I would say this was Hewitt's best coached game for a long while. That might not be saying much... Except for the Okoloji sighting in the first half and the continued Pavlovian time out calling, he did what I would expect of a decent coach ( in game).

The only thing I did not like from a coaching perspective was the holding the ball until about 7 seconds left in regulation. The OCM would have played it the same way, though. I just hate that type of thing. I believe in playing the type of game that got you here in the first place. The way we were doing at offensive rebounding, we could have played a normal offensive set and hoped for a second chance if we missed the first shot.

We did have a second chance in fact. And if Jenkins had a little more time he might have gotten a better shot or gotten to the line.
 

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I obviously don't like Moore taking that last jump shot, but I do think the ball needed to be in his hands to set up the play. If you watch gunnie's video it looks like Skeeters is shaking his head in frustration because the players didn't get into the set/play fast enough. I think this is why Moore decided to take the jumper. He had a decent look at it, although it wasn't what we all wanted. I don't blame Hewitt or Moore for that last sequence. He obviously drew up some sort of play and it appeared that the players took too long to get into it, therefore leaving Moore the option of taking a fairly open 16 foot jumper.
 

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We did have a second chance in fact. And if Jenkins had a little more time he might have gotten a better shot or gotten to the line.
Agreed. I did not really think our second chance was a true one, since there was about one second left at that point.
 

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Team keeps playing their guts out. As fans, we need to credit and appreciate that....

Yes, as hard as it is on us fans, can you imagine how hard it is on the team? To play your hardest and best and come so close to beating a quality opponent.

These guys are all young and basketball is a huge part of their lives. They deserve our strong support and I hope we will demonstrate that at our next game Wednesday.
 

dr. gunnie

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I obviously don't like Moore taking that last jump shot, but I do think the ball needed to be in his hands to set up the play. If you watch gunnie's video it looks like Skeeters is shaking his head in frustration because the players didn't get into the set/play fast enough. I think this is why Moore decided to take the jumper. He had a decent look at it, although it wasn't what we all wanted. I don't blame Hewitt or Moore for that last sequence. He obviously drew up some sort of play and it appeared that the players took too long to get into it, therefore leaving Moore the option of taking a fairly open 16 foot jumper.

Skeeters and Houston were both upset with no foul call when they mugged Copes going for the steal - that was a terrible non-call, but my guess is Copes maybe hits one free throw and they come back and score to win in regulation.

You can see Hewitt motioning to Holloway to start the play and you can see Jenkins set up the screen and wait for Holloway to come around (Copes does the same thing for BA on the near side).

What I would like to know is how they got that wide open look at the three to tie it. They set a screen on Jenkins and he didn't even attempt to guard the shooter - not sure if he thought they were going to switch or what, but it looked odd.
 

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I am coming late to the conversation. I would say this was Hewitt's best coached game for a long while.

I'm glad somebody finally acknowledged this, especially one of Hewitt's most outspoken critics of late. I think almost all of us agree the coach hasn't done a great job this season, but there is nothing wrong with admitting when he has a good game.

I really loved our game plans on both ends yesterday, especially with how aggressively we were attacking the basket offensively. I believe our first 8 or 10 points came in the lane, and the fact that we didn't attempt a single 3 in the first half — largely in part because Holloway picked up two early fouls and had to sit — showed that there was a conscious effort to go right at their top-ranked defense. I believe the announcers said we were one of only two teams all year to shoot over 50% against them.

It would have been nice had the final play in regulation worked as it was drawn up, but I had no problem with it beginning with isolating Moore since he is our best ball-handler and penetrator. Many of us have been clamoring to have him in the games at the end, so it only makes sense to have the ball in his hands if he is going to be in there. Ideally, he would have driven all the way to the basket or dished it off before taking the jumper, but it's something he'll learn from.
 
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Yep - you are a moron... when did I ever blame Moore? What I said was a long jump shot by Moore was not what Hewitt wanted.

I'm 38 years old. I never played basketball past middle school. Even I knew the instruction given was to drive and kick out. Moore thought he had a chance with the jump shot - I don't fault him for that. He had a decent look. My problem is with moron fans who they that was the shot that Hewitt drew up - it was not.

It's our same moron fans that complained when either BA or SW handled the ball at the end of games and turned it over and complained why we didn't have a PG handling the ball... now we have a PG with the ball and we are complaining because he's too young. Guess what? We are running out of f'ing people to handle the ball at the end! No BA, no SW, and now no MM... I guess we better have J2 or Copes handle the ball at the end?
If you look at this game or that play in a vacuum then yes yesterday was a great effort by everyone, but I guess I'm an a-hole lunatic fringe fan for looking at the entire picture. I'll just stay here in my moron cocoon for the next 2+ years.
 

Haxormax

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anyone checked on Jollay lately? I saw a facebook status from his account that said "I can't take the insanity anymore, I'm going to where I'm comfortable."

If I'm not mistaken, he's in Thailand, interacting with his favorite lady-boy.
 

Quentin Daniels

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Credit Copes with a solid game, just one rebound away from a double-double and two blocks. He went nearly 5 minutes before picking up his first found and 13 before getting the second. Big difference when he can actually be on the court and not on the bench (aka Mike Morrision syndrome)

The Gujanicic disappearing act continues though - 2 points and 2 fouls in 9 minutes and goose eggs the rest of the stats line. He started the season scoring double figures in 7 of his first 8 games, but 0 in his last 13 including being held scoreless against GW and St. Joes.

Marko's always been on defense what Copes is on offense, but he'd at least countered that by being crafty beneath the basket and able to stretch the defense with his size and ability to hit 3's.
 

GMU_Polevaulter

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St. Louis is one of the best team in the A-10 - not to mention a sub RPI 30 team, ranked in Top 20 and was a 15 point favorite -

Since many of us seem to compare this team to past teams - most GMU BBall teams in the past did not hang with the cream of the crop teams - this team does - and yes I get the Big difference - past teams knew how to close and win games - something that this team is struggling to do.

These guys played one heck of a game yesterday - wish they would have won. I don't fault the last play with MM - should have never gotten to that -if it goes in on today's board he would be the man - another 7 assists game, 6 rebounds and only 3 turn overs. The last 4 minutes some silly turn overs - like the lazy inbounds for a steal - taking some poor shots etc. etc.
- if J2 would have had a average shooting game - same old stuff and what we have seen all season.

Glad MM, JJ and PH are getting lost of play time. Hope to see Marco get his scoring mojo back.


Dayton is beatable - hope the team continues to put the effort in.
 
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