Game 18: Saint Louis University, Saturday, January 14th, 2:30 PM, NBCSN

Pablo

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http://www.billikens.com/forum/index.php?/topic/27426-gm-over-the-bills-by-16/:

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"Well the good news is our trend line seems to ne pointed up. TOs are down ...we have improved by about 4 pts/gm. The bad news is as you can see by the spread ...4pts isn't enough. If we have another "good" game then we will lose by 12. We need to step it up a little more. To me this means 40 min of b-ball.Yesterday, was another good example. We played 36 min of good b-ball ( for more detail ..see post game analysis of Duq thread) Part of that issue is depth . When you have a number of good players it is easier to play 40 good min. Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury...which means either those who are playing well need to give another 10% or someone who is not doing much recently needs to step up.

The Bills (F+ ) will have a tougher opponent in GM ( B- ) than Duq ( C- ). GM like always, brings good guard play...led by their leading scorer Moore who also leads in assists and rebounds....coupled with Livingston their 2nd leading scorer and team leader in steals One thing different this year is that GM can't shoot 3's. They really only have 1 player who comes off the bench that can hit from the arc (Kier) But GM makes up for it with strong rebounding on both sides of the court especially on offense ( A ). GM strong suit is good defense especially on the 3 pt shot (A- ) We will have a tougher time putting up good numbers from beyond the arc after facing teams that don't defend the 3 very well. GM will have 13 TOs... if they wind up in single digits or a differential of 5 or more it will be ugly. Again I would like to see some games where we have less TOs than our opponent. As I pointed out in an earlier thread we have had only 1 game where we had less TOs than our opponent.

Bottom line...40 min of b-ball...TO differential needs to be even or better...and we need to keep shooting like we have recently."
 

Five Two

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Not too long ago, SLU was eyeing a move to the Big East when that conference is ready to expand to 12 teams and the TV contract is up for renewal (Dayton would be the other school to bolt the A10. both schools being private would provide some travel balance for the current BE Midwest schools). I've always thought they'd be better off in the MVC especially since the MVC holds their tourney down the road from SLU's campus.

as for the game, lets hope the roads aren't too bad.
 

psyclone

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I'm getting a bit nervous with some of the upsets this week in the A10. LaSalle as 12 pt underdogs won AT URI by 12 tonight and UMass beat Dayton last night. With us favored by 16.4 (rpiforecast) to 17 (kenpom), it's making me think that this is nothing is a sure thing. SLU, as the only team in the league without a conference win, is having a terrible year, but according to someone on their message board (posted by Pablo in this thread), they've started playing somewhat better.

Maybe I'm taking the wrong view on this. The A10 may be more wide-open than we've (or at least I've) thought. vcu and Richmond are the only 2 teams undefeated (4-0) in conference. Are they really that good?
 

Pablo

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Per game notes:

FT% Last 5 Minutes of Games:

Jaire Grayer: 5-5 (100%)
Kameron Murrell: 4-4 (100%)
Karmari Newman: 2-2 (100%)
Otis Livingston: 19-20 (95.0%)
Justin Kier: 10-11 (90.9%)
DeAndre Abram: 5-6 (83.3%)
Marquise Moore: 41-50 (82.0%)
Jalen Jenkins: 7-9 (77.8%)
Ian Boyd: 10-14 (71.4%)
Danny Dixon: 5-7 (71.4%)
Myles Tate: 1-3 (33.3%)
Daniel Relvao: 0-1 (0.0%)

Team: 109-132 (82.6%)
 
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Washingtonian

Washingtonian

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I'm getting a bit nervous with some of the upsets this week in the A10. LaSalle as 12 pt underdogs won AT URI by 12 tonight and UMass beat Dayton last night. With us favored by 16.4 (rpiforecast) to 17 (kenpom), it's making me think that this is nothing is a sure thing. SLU, as the only team in the league without a conference win, is having a terrible year, but according to someone on their message board (posted by Pablo in this thread), they've started playing somewhat better.

Maybe I'm taking the wrong view on this. The A10 may be more wide-open than we've (or at least I've) thought. vcu and Richmond are the only 2 teams undefeated (4-0) in conference. Are they really that good?

LaSalle added 3 transfers this season, they were expected to be better.
 

MasonGradSquared

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Per game notes:

FT% Last 5 Minutes of Games:

Jaire Grayer: 5-5 (100%)
Kameron Murrell: 4-4 (100%)
Karmari Newman: 2-2 (100%)
Otis Livingston: 19-20 (95.0%)
Justin Kier: 10-11 (90.9%)
DeAndre Abram: 5-6 (83.3%)
Marquise Moore: 41-50 (82.0%)
Jalen Jenkins: 7-9 (77.8%)
Ian Boyd: 10-14 (71.4%)
Danny Dixon: 5-7 (71.4%)
Myles Tate: 1-3 (33.3%)
Daniel Relvao: 0-1 (0.0%)

Team: 109-132 (82.6%)

Don't jinx it!
 

Five Two

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Richmond @ SJU is on NBCSN at 12:30 so there is very little chance our game comes on the air before we tip.
All 5 of the A10 games tomorrow are on either NBCSN or CBSSN
 

Petey Buckets

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All I remember from the St. Louis games last year is St. Louis running tons of double-screens at the top of the key and putting poor Otis in the washing machine. I haven't seen them this year, so no idea what their offense looks like under Ford, but regardless of what they run, they've been absolutely horrible on that side of the ball all year long.

- 335th in the country in field goal % at the rim (52%)
- 335th in the country in field goal % on jumpers (29.8%)
- 253rd in the country in 3p% (33.3%)
- 322nd in the country in turnover % (19.1% of possessions)
- 345th in the country in offensive rating (89 points per 100 possessions)

This is one of the slowest paced teams in the country, so they're running almost everything from the halfcourt, and they can't finish from anywhere. They do get to the rim a lot - something to watch for since they may be able to take advantage of Jalen hedging up high again and get easier finishes against Boyd/Kier/Grayer. They've got four players averaging between 9.3 and 11.6 points per game, so at least you can say their scoring is balanced, if sparse.

As bad as they are on offense, they've been almost as bad on defense. Their defensive rating of 106 points per 100 is 274th in the country. They are 234th in putting opponents on the line, and 300th in total rebound percentage. They're actually worse than we are in opponent turnover percentage (321st to our 313th).

They had an uncharacteristically hot shooting night against Davidson, 9/16 from three, and still lost by 11. Against Duquesne, Duquesne shot 5/19 from three and 22/36 from the free throw line and still won by 7. Unless there's a different St. Louis team coming to Fairfax, these guys are horrible and this would be a bad loss. Hope Dave and the boys come out and take care of business tomorrow.
 

Pablo

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http://www.slubillikens.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=27200&ATCLID=211409332:

"Over the last three games, junior guard Davell Roby is averaging 13.7 ppg and is shooting 52 percent (13-of-25) from the field, 57.1 (8-of-14) percent from 3-point range and is perfect from the free-throw line (7-of-7).

-- Senior forward Reggie Agbeko scores 9.9 ppg and is second in the Atlantic 10 Conference with 8.1 rpg. His 55.3 percent shooting mark from the field is sixth in the A-10. He has four double-doubles on the season and seven in his career.

-- Senior guard Mike Crawford averages 9.3 ppg. Redshirt freshman forward Elliott Welmer scores 7.4 ppg.

-- True freshmen Jalen Johnson (5.6 ppg) and Zeke Moore (5.2 ppg) have appeared in every game this year. Johnson started for the first time in his career at Duquesne and scored nine points.

-- Sophomore guard Jermaine Bishop leads the Billikens in scoring with 11.6 ppg but has missed the last seven games with an injury. Redshirt junior guard Aaron Hines has filled in and is third on the squad with 10.3 ppg in A-10 play."
 

gmujim92

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GIVING DAY 2023
All I remember from the St. Louis games last year is St. Louis running tons of double-screens at the top of the key and putting poor Otis in the washing machine. I haven't seen them this year, so no idea what their offense looks like under Ford, but regardless of what they run, they've been absolutely horrible on that side of the ball all year long.

- 335th in the country in field goal % at the rim (52%)
- 335th in the country in field goal % on jumpers (29.8%)
- 253rd in the country in 3p% (33.3%)
- 322nd in the country in turnover % (19.1% of possessions)
- 345th in the country in offensive rating (89 points per 100 possessions)

This is one of the slowest paced teams in the country, so they're running almost everything from the halfcourt, and they can't finish from anywhere. They do get to the rim a lot - something to watch for since they may be able to take advantage of Jalen hedging up high again and get easier finishes against Boyd/Kier/Grayer. They've got four players averaging between 9.3 and 11.6 points per game, so at least you can say their scoring is balanced, if sparse.

As bad as they are on offense, they've been almost as bad on defense. Their defensive rating of 106 points per 100 is 274th in the country. They are 234th in putting opponents on the line, and 300th in total rebound percentage. They're actually worse than we are in opponent turnover percentage (321st to our 313th).

They had an uncharacteristically hot shooting night against Davidson, 9/16 from three, and still lost by 11. Against Duquesne, Duquesne shot 5/19 from three and 22/36 from the free throw line and still won by 7. Unless there's a different St. Louis team coming to Fairfax, these guys are horrible and this would be a bad loss. Hope Dave and the boys come out and take care of business tomorrow.

I would be shocked if we hedge hard and switch high ball screens against SLU like we did against Bona.

No sense letting Agbeko, who is a load, catch the ball 5 feet from the basket against a guard.

Percentages say we're better off just going under the screen and letting them shoot 3s all day long.
 

Herndon

All-Conference
All I remember from the St. Louis games last year is St. Louis running tons of double-screens at the top of the key and putting poor Otis in the washing machine. I haven't seen them this year, so no idea what their offense looks like under Ford, but regardless of what they run, they've been absolutely horrible on that side of the ball all year long.

- 335th in the country in field goal % at the rim (52%)
- 335th in the country in field goal % on jumpers (29.8%)
- 253rd in the country in 3p% (33.3%)
- 322nd in the country in turnover % (19.1% of possessions)
- 345th in the country in offensive rating (89 points per 100 possessions)

This is one of the slowest paced teams in the country, so they're running almost everything from the halfcourt, and they can't finish from anywhere. They do get to the rim a lot - something to watch for since they may be able to take advantage of Jalen hedging up high again and get easier finishes against Boyd/Kier/Grayer. They've got four players averaging between 9.3 and 11.6 points per game, so at least you can say their scoring is balanced, if sparse.

As bad as they are on offense, they've been almost as bad on defense. Their defensive rating of 106 points per 100 is 274th in the country. They are 234th in putting opponents on the line, and 300th in total rebound percentage. They're actually worse than we are in opponent turnover percentage (321st to our 313th).

They had an uncharacteristically hot shooting night against Davidson, 9/16 from three, and still lost by 11. Against Duquesne, Duquesne shot 5/19 from three and 22/36 from the free throw line and still won by 7. Unless there's a different St. Louis team coming to Fairfax, these guys are horrible and this would be a bad loss. Hope Dave and the boys come out and take care of business tomorrow.

This is what I mean when I say Buckets posts good stuff. Lots of good info there.
 
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