Game 18, AT Rhode Island, Jan 18, 12:30 PM, NBCSN

[patriot2000]

Pretty sure on the "Embattled Coach Death Spiral," blaming your players in the media is one of the final levels before you lose the team completely and get your a** fired.

I was saying the exact same thing. This is one of the final stages of "retiring in disgrace"

 

[Patriot Lawdog]

Well, except for Dwayne Wade to Marquette. That wasn't bad.

If I remember correctly, Wade wasn't the most highly recruited player out of high school and also had trouble qualifying and did not play his first year there.

And when Tom Crean left the AD at Marquette decided the only way they could continue their success was to hire a well established head coach/retread....Oh, wait, no he didn't. He promoted Buzz Williams.

And Feinstein is full of shit. He's the guy who constantly calls coaches out for blaming players. He calls it the "I coached well, they played bad" excuse. Like everyone else, he gives Hewitt a pass because he likes him.

 

[masonjoe]

See this is Hewitt's version of what the S. Illinois coach did when he called out players during a post game conference.

 

[Pablo]

I don't think it was clear either way. I do know that Corey should have been in a lot better position (in between him and the basket) and not gave any semblance of any kind of foul in that situation or even been close to contact.

Just a dumb play.

Jollay,

I believe that you confirmed my opinion that it was a foul. Corey was not facing him and had not established a legal guarding position. Rather, he fronted him and continued to make contact with his body as the guy drove towards the basket with the ball.

So, I don't believe it was incidental contact.

 

[gmutom]

I don't think it was clear either way. I do know that Corey should have been in a lot better position (in between him and the basket) and not gave any semblance of any kind of foul in that situation or even been close to contact.

Just a dumb play.

This I agree with. When they chucked it long, I thought it was going to go out of bounds and that we were going to get the ball under our own basket. Even if their guy caught it, he would have had to fling up a Christian Laetner-like heave at the buzzer.

There still wasn't enough contact to warrant a whistle, but we are on the same page that it's better to avoid contact to eliminate all doubt just in case you get a ref who wants to determine the outcome.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

Can we just put the Georgia Tech stuff and the hire behind us? For good or bad it was a very defensible hire. The Cleveland Browns have paid a total of $49 million to make their last coaches go away...doesn't mean the coaches suck. Ask Bill Belichick.

I dont know how I end up defending Hewitt so much here, 65% of the evidence is in and he probably sucks. I just want to keep things in mild perspective. ..

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

Jollay,

I believe that you confirmed my opinion that it was a foul. Corey was not facing him and had not established a legal guarding position. Rather, he fronted him and continued to make contact with his body as the guy drove towards the basket with the ball.

So, I don't believe it was incidental contact.

It reminded me a lot of a DB not turning around in football, as I think someone said.

It may not have been a foul, but I sure dont blame the ref.

Plus Corey was jumping into his armpit, which was attached to his arm.

We got jobbed again by the refs, but we were even lucky to be close with the Rhode dumb foul and the miracle Okoloji three.

 

[Pablo]

Here's the replay. You be the judge on whether Corey fouled him - see
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...eorge-mason-video/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs.

 

[Washingtonian]

http://www.gomason.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=3166888 (post game press conference, starts around the 6 minute mark and doesn't tell much)

 

[gmutom]

Here's the replay. You be the judge on whether Corey fouled him - see
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...eorge-mason-video/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs.

I agree with the racist color guy who said his arms are straight up. Incidental contact, let the players determine the outcome in double OT.

 

[gmubrian]

While the call on Edwards at the end sucked, didn't we get lucky on the call at the end of regulation as well? Should that really have been 3 shots. The replay looked to me like Allen didn't even start the shot until after the foul. That one was just as questionable. We would not have even made it to OT without that call. The refs giveth and the refs taketh away. Not like we played a super game and the refs took it away from us. We play a decent game and the refs are inconsequential in that game.

 

[Pablo]

I agree with the racist color guy who said his arms are straight up. Incidental contact, let the players determine the outcome in double OT.

Tom,

We'll agree to disagree on this. BTW, thanks to Jollay, I believe it's been confirmed that there is at least one woman (ricky) who posts on this board.

 

[GMUgemini]

While the call on Edwards at the end sucked, didn't we get lucky on the call at the end of regulation as well? Should that really have been 3 shots. The replay looked to me like Allen didn't even start the shot until after the foul. That one was just as questionable. We would not have even made it to OT without that call. The refs giveth and the refs taketh away. Not like we played a super game and the refs took it away from us. We play a decent game and the refs are inconsequential in that game.

This could be why the whistle was blown. But agreed, with the overall point, we play every team way too close and it always ends up being some kind of crazy foul or turnover or other mistake at the end of these games that cost us. If you play 40 minutes, you're up comfortably and the other team is just forced to give up.

 

[GMUgemini]

Tom,

We'll agree to disagree on this. BTW, thanks to Jollay, I believe it's been confirmed that there is at least one woman (ricky) who posts on this board.

Most refs wouldn't have called it, especially if it was a team with a "certain" reputation. vcu doesn't get that called against them, I bet UMass doesn't either. Foul or not, unless that player was at the rim going up for a sure layup in that situation (which he wasn't, he was just as out of control as Edwards was), most refs would have let it go to 2OT at that point.

 

[Pablo]

While the call on Edwards at the end sucked, didn't we get lucky on the call at the end of regulation as well? Should that really have been 3 shots. The replay looked to me like Allen didn't even start the shot until after the foul. That one was just as questionable. We would not have even made it to OT without that call. The refs giveth and the refs taketh away. Not like we played a super game and the refs took it away from us. We play a decent game and the refs are inconsequential in that game.

Brian,

The two foul calls were actually on consecutive plays at the end of overtime.

 

[gmutom]

Brian, I thought we actually played a very good game. We shot a decent 47-percent from the floor — and that was with Holloway missing 7 of 10 shots — and we held them to 38-percent. We also outrebounded them, 35-31, and we only had 14 turnovers (which isn't horrible for us). Granted, we didn't have an answer for Munford, but there aren't many teams who do.

As for the foul on Allen, I agree we were fortunate it was called; but if you look at the replay, the guy clearly fouled Allen while he was in the process of shooting.

 

[gmubrian]

Brian,

The two foul calls were actually on consecutive plays at the end of overtime.

My bad. Thanks for correcting me. The point still stands, without one questionable call, the one we liked, we don't get to the second questionable call, the one we didn't like.

 

[PoorManProfit]

It was clearly not a foul. Corey had just as much right to the ball as the other guy, and he went straight up to grab it. Like I said previously, any ref worth his salt swallows his whistle in that case, and lets the players decide the game.

Personally, I wouldn't have blown the whistle there, but Edward looked foolish on the play and sometimes that's enough to get a whistle blown.

 

[PoorManProfit]

I don't think it was clear either way. I do know that Corey should have been in a lot better position (in between him and the basket) and not gave any semblance of any kind of foul in that situation or even been close to contact.

Just a dumb play.

Well said.

 

[CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY]

Tom,

We'll agree to disagree on this. BTW, thanks to Jollay, I believe it's been confirmed that there is at least one woman (ricky) who posts on this board.

You want to talk serious problems going forward with this program behind the scenes? You have no further to look than there.

I knew it the day I heard her yelling not to pass the ball to Marco in Richmond last year. Unacceptable.