Game 1: Lafayette College, Friday, November 10th, 7 PM, NO TV

gmujim92

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Well, yeah... I would hope they would get better. The only way they could get worse would be to start making baskets for the other team.



Right, because there is no way his line could have possibly been better than this one:

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I’m not trying to hate on our players, but the hype machine on every player we sign is out of hand. IT’S NOT OUR PLAYERS FAULT! Every player that leaves sucks, and every player that we sign is going to be first team A10. How about we just dial it down a bit? Mar probably had the least amount of hype from our internet experts over the last month and he’s the one that looked the best.

I get it, we all love Mason and want the best for our team, but sometimes bad things do happen and it’s ok to admit it. 8 scholarship players with 4 of them being freshman is not a good thing, no matter how you try and spin it. Unfortunately, I learned this the hard way after defending Hewitt after the first couple of years!

I don't know where I have ever suggested that only having 8 scholarship players, with 4 of them being freshmen, is good or ideal or anything even remotely positive.

All I have said is, with the exception of Newman, none of the kids who left would make a difference between winning and losing. If they had stayed and DP was forced to play them, we'd still be in a less-than-ideal situation because most of those kids clearly were not good enough to play on the level we need them to play. I stand by that belief.

Because of the mess they inherited, the staff had to sign a bunch of kids in the first couple classes and hope they'd develop. Some did, some didn't. That's how it works. Unfortunately none of the bigs panned out.

Dave has taken a long-term view of program building, focused on instilling his culture, and (other than Reuter) avoided transfers and JUCOs. By doing it differently, could he have gotten a big who would be ready to contribute something now? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Agree or disagree with his philosophy, this young 8-man roster is what we're left with.

I choose to focus on the positives here because the program is headed in the right direction overall.

Does that mean progress/development will always take a straight line upward? Nope.

But there is zero comparison to the obvious downward trend line that occurred as Hewitt ran out of Larranaga players and had to win or lose on his own.

For some reason, you seem to want to rub my nose in sh!t. That's fine. Rub away.
 
All I have said is, with the exception of Newman, none of the kids who left would make a difference between winning and losing. If they had stayed and DP was forced to play them, we'd still be in a less-than-ideal situation because most of those kids clearly were not good enough to play on the level we need them to play. I stand by that belief.
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I think the inconsistency is when you say this and then still slate us for 20 wins.

If we have a 20-win team anyway, why would DP have ever been forced to play them? Is the alternative to them on the bench--nothing--better?

I think the larger program points are mostly fine, but I think this is what Gunnie is talking about as he prepares for his fried chicken feast.
 

dr. gunnie

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I think the inconsistency is when you say this and then still slate us for 20 wins.

If we have a 20-win team anyway, why would DP have ever been forced to play them? Is the alternative to them on the bench--nothing--better?

I think the larger program points are mostly fine, but I think this is what Gunnie is talking about as he prepares for his fried chicken feast.

Didn’t make the trip :bigwhiner:

A combination of a bill for new tires on the wife’s car, StubHub f’ing up my tickets, and helping my parents move this weekend didn’t make it seem like the basketball gods wanted me to attend. My guess is they were trying to save me from something - either a long somber drive back or a heart attack from the food... we’ll find out later this afternoon.

But yes, you pretty much nailed everything else. We needed bodies, we needed options.
 

GMUgemini

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I thought I've been pretty positive after this first game. The only thing I've really said is we're going to lose the rebounding battle to most teams until Calixte gets more seasoning. And we really won't know what we should expect from him this season until after probably the Cancun Challenge and he has a good 6 games under his belt (I'm not going to judge anyone too harshly after Louisville). He, to me, was the only one who looked overmatched out there, which is a concern considering he's the only real big we have on the roster right now.

My hope is that he gets his sea legs under him by about halfway through the season and we can start playing with a more traditional lineup (Otis, Kier, Grayer, Mar, Calixte), so we can also have a spark off the bench in Boyd (who graduated from being a man last season to being a Man (with a capital M) and who can also allow Grayer more rest (Grayer played 38 minutes against Lafayette). But right now, I don't think that's anything we can expect right now. We will see, though.
 

gmujim92

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I think the inconsistency is when you say this and then still slate us for 20 wins.

If we have a 20-win team anyway, why would DP have ever been forced to play them? Is the alternative to them on the bench--nothing--better?

I think the larger program points are mostly fine, but I think this is what Gunnie is talking about as he prepares for his fried chicken feast.

I based a 20-win projection on the fact that our OOC schedule is soft and the A-10 is pretty much trash this season.

If we had a more complete roster, we would be seriously in contention for a top-4 spot.

But there are many other teams in this league that are equally as flawed as we are, if not far more so.
 

sleeperpick

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Mar is our most highly touted recruit since copes (yes he sucked). So not sure where you got the least hyped. Haven't heard jack about Javon or calixte (other than it appears he can walk and chew gum at the same time) which makes him automatically better than relvao and Danny Dixon
 
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Cedric Dempsey

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Eight scholarships with four playing their first game. Now they get to go in front of 22,000 against #16 for their 2nd. No biggie. Everyone needs to breathe. DP has two scholarships in hand for the future and contract stability. No ez way out of the mess he was handed. 7,000 in attendance seemed to be willing to see something good about your future. I do too.
 

dr. gunnie

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Well, yeah... I would hope they would get better. The only way they could get worse would be to start making baskets for the other team.

I stand corrected. You could also get a couple goaltending calls against you to wipe points off the scoreboard.

Carry on.
 
I based a 20-win projection on the fact that our OOC schedule is soft and the A-10 is pretty much trash this season.

If we had a more complete roster, we would be seriously in contention for a top-4 spot.

But there are many other teams in this league that are equally as flawed as we are, if not far more so.

I completely disagree. As mediocre as the A-10 is, it will exploit us down low like a champ when we're thoroughly scouted. I see that weakness of ours as a more glaring weakness than most teams have.
 

Pikapppatri8

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I completely disagree. As mediocre as the A-10 is, it will exploit us down low like a champ when we're thoroughly scouted. I see that weakness of ours as a more glaring weakness than most teams have.

Who the hell pissed on your fried chicken legs?? You have been grumpy sir.


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GMUgemini

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The home game against Penn State will tell us a lot about what this team is going to do this season. It's late enough in the OOC that both teams will have gotten the kinks out and getting ready for conference play.
 

Quentin Daniels

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We don't miss relvao. I can't believe some of you look at his game and think anything other than "wow this guy sucks"

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Quentin Daniels

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Yea my point remains. Relvao is horrible. At least AJ shows effort to alter shots. Relvao played ole defense. Not sure what games you are watching.

The ones where we have a grand total of three forwards and they're all Freshman.

How about you? Which ones are you watching?

P.S.
Your point was we won't miss him.
 

sleeperpick

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The ones where we have a grand total of three forwards and they're all Freshman.

How about you? Which ones are you watching?

P.S.
Your point was we won't miss him.
In order to miss him we would have had to lose games because he wasn't there. None of these games we have lost he would have done anything but stunt Aj and calixtes growth. We would have the same record if not worse. If relvao was here who knows if AJ would have gone off that game and we may have lost
 
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