Dave Paulsen

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Let’s have an honest conversation about how things are going under Dave’s watch. I don’t want to venture into hyperbole, as there’s already plenty on both sides. No, Dave shouldn’t be on the hot seat. He also doesn’t shit ice cream. Some things are going well and some other things are going poorly. Mentioning the things that are going poorly is generally met with a Frank Drebin “nothing to see here” routine from the crowd that thinks we’re right on schedule, so I want to talk about those.

- Mason has looked totally unprepared in the first half of more than half our games so far. Dug gigantic deficits against Auburn, Rhode Island, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, Georgia Southern, and Penn State. Trailed at the half against CSUN, Binghamton, and Morgan State. That’s on the coaches.

- Player development is bizarrely lacking in one particular area. Kier hasn’t hit a three all season. Boyd has tons of physical talent but disappears for long stretches most games, and shoots 26% from deep. Javon airballed a three today and hit the side of the backboard on another. Does this team have a shooting coach? How does a team full of guards shoot 30% from 3?

- The state of the roster is 100% on Paulsen. It stinks to high hell that Karmari, Troy, and Relvao all departed the program after returning to campus for the new season – the staff clearly didn’t expect it, and those guys clearly expected to be here. This is a different tangent, but yes, Relvao would help right now. So would Troy. Most college bigs are terrible. There’s value to occupying space, clogging the paint, and having five fouls with which to clobber the Nathan Knights of the world.

- I’m very disappointed with our unwillingness to change tactics to fit our personnel. The “adjustment” last year was having Marquise Moore turn into Russell Westbrook. There’s no such miracle waiting for us right now. If we continue the season without trying to generate more turnovers and run in transition we’ll finish between 4-6 A10 wins.

- Dave got beat for Tre Wood, a 3-star point guard from DC, by Matt McCall at UMass. McCall stepped into a similarly bad situation at UMass and is in his first year. Whether or not Dave can recruit the horses necessary to compete at the top of the A10 is still a valid question. Mar is a great recruit and next year’s class looks promising, but the book isn’t closed by any means.

Not for nothing, but I don’t buy that Hewitt left the program in such utter disrepair that we can’t reasonably expect to be better in year 3 under Paulsen. Hewitt had a few losing seasons, nothing more. There were no sanctions to deal with, no postseason bans, no lost scholarships. All the talk of how the Hewitt recruits didn’t have the right mentality doesn’t stand up to scrutiny either – Marquise and Jalen turned out great, Trey Porter is averaging 11 and 5 for ODU, and Isaiah Jackson is in the 8-man rotation for a tournament team two years running.

I don’t want to dwell on the negatives, really I don’t, but I also don’t want legitimate talking points to be represented only by the various troll accounts that infest these boards. Dave is taking some lumps in the rebuild, which is fine, but let’s call them what they are. Go look at the first couple pages of the predictions thread – 20 wins, above .500 in the A10, NIT berth, etc etc. Now people are talking about how we can’t judge Dave by next year either because he still needs more time. I like Dave, I support Dave, and I think he’ll get it done, but I have no interest in endlessly adjusting my expectations downward to avoid putting any sort of accountability on him.
 

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- Dave got beat for Tre Wood, a 3-star point guard from DC, by Matt McCall at UMass. McCall stepped into a similarly bad situation at UMass and is in his first year. Whether or not Dave can recruit the horses necessary to compete at the top of the A10 is still a valid question. Mar is a great recruit and next year’s class looks promising, but the book isn’t closed by any means.
This scares me the most. Wood is a local kid who's 1) head coach was a Paulsen assistant, 2) assistant coach is one of the most revered player's in our school's history and 3) starting PG spot would have been all but certain his soph year (and possibly for 2 after that) after Otis leaves.
 

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- I’m very disappointed with our unwillingness to change tactics to fit our personnel. The “adjustment” last year was having Marquise Moore turn into Russell Westbrook. There’s no such miracle waiting for us right now. If we continue the season without trying to generate more turnovers and run in transition we’ll finish between 4-6 A10 wins.
This is my #2. Good coaches make adjustments both in-game and in-season. The one in-game adjustment I can think of was against CSUN when their big was killing us and we switched to zone. The in-season adjustment so far was putting Calixte in the starting line up. I like both. I missed today's game, LA Tech and JMU, so there may have been others. But I struggle to remember any other in-game adjustments.
 

gmujim92

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This scares me the most. Wood is a local kid who's 1) head coach was a Paulsen assistant, 2) assistant coach is one of the most revered player's in our school's history and 3) starting PG spot would have been all but certain his soph year (and possibly for 2 after that) after Otis leaves.

The coach with ties to Paulsen just got the St. John’s job this year and likely didn’t have as much influence with Wood as we would’ve liked.

No clue what’s going on with Lamar, other than I know he really liked Hewitt. Ugh.

Wood has a far better chance to step in and play right away as a freshman at UMass, which will have no PG on its roster after this season. He was a priority for Matt McCall, but would’ve had to sit and watch for at least one year if he came to Mason.

Still sucked not to get him. He’s a terrific player. But in retrospect I don’t think we should’ve been as confident about his commitment as many of us were.
 

gmujim92

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This is my #2. Good coaches make adjustments both in-game and in-season. The one in-game adjustment I can think of was against CSUN when their big was killing us and we switched to zone. The in-season adjustment so far was putting Calixte in the starting line up. I like both. I missed today's game, LA Tech and JMU, so there may have been others. But I struggle to remember any other in-game adjustments.

We played some zone today but they were killing us with 3s so we got out of it.

Not that it would’ve mattered. If there’s an adjustment for “the opponent is just way better than we are,” there are about 340 D-I coaches who’d pay good money for it.
 

FreeGunston12

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Let’s have an honest conversation about how things are going under Dave’s watch. I don’t want to venture into hyperbole, as there’s already plenty on both sides. No, Dave shouldn’t be on the hot seat. He also doesn’t shit ice cream. Some things are going well and some other things are going poorly. Mentioning the things that are going poorly is generally met with a Frank Drebin “nothing to see here” routine from the crowd that thinks we’re right on schedule, so I want to talk about those.

- Mason has looked totally unprepared in the first half of more than half our games so far. Dug gigantic deficits against Auburn, Rhode Island, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, Georgia Southern, and Penn State. Trailed at the half against CSUN, Binghamton, and Morgan State. That’s on the coaches.

- Player development is bizarrely lacking in one particular area. Kier hasn’t hit a three all season. Boyd has tons of physical talent but disappears for long stretches most games, and shoots 26% from deep. Javon airballed a three today and hit the side of the backboard on another. Does this team have a shooting coach? How does a team full of guards shoot 30% from 3?

- The state of the roster is 100% on Paulsen. It stinks to high hell that Karmari, Troy, and Relvao all departed the program after returning to campus for the new season – the staff clearly didn’t expect it, and those guys clearly expected to be here. This is a different tangent, but yes, Relvao would help right now. So would Troy. Most college bigs are terrible. There’s value to occupying space, clogging the paint, and having five fouls with which to clobber the Nathan Knights of the world.

- I’m very disappointed with our unwillingness to change tactics to fit our personnel. The “adjustment” last year was having Marquise Moore turn into Russell Westbrook. There’s no such miracle waiting for us right now. If we continue the season without trying to generate more turnovers and run in transition we’ll finish between 4-6 A10 wins.

- Dave got beat for Tre Wood, a 3-star point guard from DC, by Matt McCall at UMass. McCall stepped into a similarly bad situation at UMass and is in his first year. Whether or not Dave can recruit the horses necessary to compete at the top of the A10 is still a valid question. Mar is a great recruit and next year’s class looks promising, but the book isn’t closed by any means.

Not for nothing, but I don’t buy that Hewitt left the program in such utter disrepair that we can’t reasonably expect to be better in year 3 under Paulsen. Hewitt had a few losing seasons, nothing more. There were no sanctions to deal with, no postseason bans, no lost scholarships. All the talk of how the Hewitt recruits didn’t have the right mentality doesn’t stand up to scrutiny either – Marquise and Jalen turned out great, Trey Porter is averaging 11 and 5 for ODU, and Isaiah Jackson is in the 8-man rotation for a tournament team two years running.

I don’t want to dwell on the negatives, really I don’t, but I also don’t want legitimate talking points to be represented only by the various troll accounts that infest these boards. Dave is taking some lumps in the rebuild, which is fine, but let’s call them what they are. Go look at the first couple pages of the predictions thread – 20 wins, above .500 in the A10, NIT berth, etc etc. Now people are talking about how we can’t judge Dave by next year either because he still needs more time. I like Dave, I support Dave, and I think he’ll get it done, but I have no interest in endlessly adjusting my expectations downward to avoid putting any sort of accountability on him.
Petey - appreciate you man. Yes, it has been presented ad nauseam by the trolls on the board which is why I react with the “nothing to see here” attitude.

I guess I differ from you on a couple points though:
First, I do not place the state of the roster 100% on Paulsen. What I will say is that he missed on Troy, Kameron, and Danny. But what were the other options he had? I don’t know. And I don’t know the full story of what happened with Relvao or Newman. Did he run them off? I don’t know. But I think it is just as likely that those two made unpredictable, immature, or self-serving decisions, like young people do sometimes. Did we lose Relvao because we picked up Reuter and Calixte? I’ll take that trade even if it hurts in the short term.

Second, I’m not asking you to wait to evaluate Paulsen. Just don’t evaluate him on wins and losses until next year. Evaluate him on establishing good habits in the program, player development, and recruiting. Preferably in that order until next year.

Two issues that I do agree with you about:
The lack of preparation/slow starts have been a problem. Paulsen repeatedly commended the “scout team” players last year for learning and running opposing offenses in practice. This year, we don’t have anywhere near the quality or depth of players on the “scout team”. That could be hurting us more than we realize. Either way, the slow starts remain a problem that DP & co. need to fix.

Finally, the offensive adjustments have been a problem. We just don’t run a very intricate offense. I would make the excuse of youth, but I don’t think we have run very creative plays since Paulsen arrived. We didn’t run anything spectacular in the Hewitt era either. I’m beginning to forget what good offense looks like. There are fading memories of some of the point-forward plays run by Hancock, post-to-post passes from Mike Mo, Cam Long magic, etc. Hopefully, we can get the ball moving a bit better by the end of the season. If not, then I suspect our struggles will continue.
 

gmujim92

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All that matters this year is this team demonstrating it can get significantly better by the A-10 tournament.

If the crap continues late into a mediocre A-10 schedule, Paulsen won't be on a hot seat, but it'll start to warm up.

Next year is the measuring stick and anything less than at least in the NIT discussion means we got problems.

I agree with your post, but the reality is he has 4 more years after this one remaining on his contract. At Mason, that means his seat won’t be legitimately hot for at least 3 more seasons regardless of the results.
 

Falco

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First I want to say I'm sorry to the boards.
I love Mason and the basketball program way to much haha. I'm rash and harsh because I'm tired of losing and I know the potentional Mason has. I know there are things to be optimistic about. I'm not denying that, but there is plenty to be concerned about.

I love Petty's post. Fair and honest. I know all of you hate my opinions. But frankly I make very similar points to Petty. He just knows how to articulate his thought much better then me.

DP seat is safe this year, but anything less then a top 4 finish next season and DP seat will be smoking hot.
 

Falco

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I agree with your post, but the reality is he has 4 more years after this one remaining on his contract. At Mason, that means his seat won’t be legitimately hot for at least 3 more seasons regardless of the results.
Wernt we playing Hewitt over a million a year and DP like 400k a year. Mason has the ability to be more flexible with their decisions.
 

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DP has got to get solid recruits and make sure the solid players GMU have stay. Transfers have been a killer the last few years.
 
About time peolle e are starting to wake up around here. DP is just not capable of coaching and recruiting at the a10 level. Time for us to come together and hold DP accountable. I am sick of his apologist and minions on here blaming Hewitt. Wake up Mason fans, we are not heading in the right direction.
 
I agree with your post, but the reality is he has 4 more years after this one remaining on his contract. At Mason, that means his seat won’t be legitimately hot for at least 3 more seasons regardless of the results.
Zero percent chance bud. He is gone next year if we finish near last place. We will run this clown out of Fairfax together as mason fans.
 

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Let’s have an honest conversation about how things are going under Dave’s watch. I don’t want to venture into hyperbole, as there’s already plenty on both sides. No, Dave shouldn’t be on the hot seat. He also doesn’t shit ice cream. Some things are going well and some other things are going poorly. Mentioning the things that are going poorly is generally met with a Frank Drebin “nothing to see here” routine from the crowd that thinks we’re right on schedule, so I want to talk about those.
- Mason has looked totally unprepared in the first half of more than half our games so far. Dug gigantic deficits against Auburn, Rhode Island, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, Georgia Southern, and Penn State. Trailed at the half against CSUN, Binghamton, and Morgan State. That’s on the coaches.

- Player development is bizarrely lacking in one particular area. Kier hasn’t hit a three all season. Boyd has tons of physical talent but disappears for long stretches most games, and shoots 26% from deep. Javon airballed a three today and hit the side of the backboard on another. Does this team have a shooting coach? How does a team full of guards shoot 30% from 3?

- The state of the roster is 100% on Paulsen. It stinks to high hell that Karmari, Troy, and Relvao all departed the program after returning to campus for the new season – the staff clearly didn’t expect it, and those guys clearly expected to be here. This is a different tangent, but yes, Relvao would help right now. So would Troy. Most college bigs are terrible. There’s value to occupying space, clogging the paint, and having five fouls with which to clobber the Nathan Knights of the world.

- I’m very disappointed with our unwillingness to change tactics to fit our personnel. The “adjustment” last year was having Marquise Moore turn into Russell Westbrook. There’s no such miracle waiting for us right now. If we continue the season without trying to generate more turnovers and run in transition we’ll finish between 4-6 A10 wins.
- Dave got beat for Tre Wood, a 3-star point guard from DC, by Matt McCall at UMass. McCall stepped into a similarly bad situation at UMass and is in his first year. Whether or not Dave can recruit the horses necessary to compete at the top of the A10 is still a valid question. Mar is a great recruit and next year’s class looks promising, but the book isn’t closed by any means.

Not for nothing, but I don’t buy that Hewitt left the program in such utter disrepair that we can’t reasonably expect to be better in year 3 under Paulsen. Hewitt had a few losing seasons, nothing more. There were no sanctions to deal with, no postseason bans, no lost scholarships. All the talk of how the Hewitt recruits didn’t have the right mentality doesn’t stand up to scrutiny either – Marquise and Jalen turned out great, Trey Porter is averaging 11 and 5 for ODU, and Isaiah Jackson is in the 8-man rotation for a tournament team two years running.


I don’t want to dwell on the negatives, really I don’t, but I also don’t want legitimate talking points to be represented only by the various troll accounts that infest these boards. Dave is taking some lumps in the rebuild, which is fine, but let’s call them what they are. Go look at the first couple pages of the predictions thread – 20 wins, above .500 in the A10, NIT berth, etc etc. Now people are talking about how we can’t judge Dave by next year either because he still needs more time. I like Dave, I support Dave, and I think he’ll get it done, but I have no interest in endlessly adjusting my expectations downward to avoid putting any sort of accountability on him.

Great post as always and I certainly agree with the direction of your post. That said I wanted to offer a few of my thoughts to add to this interesting discussion, and I bolded the items I'm going to talk about specifically.

1) The first bolded point REALLY concerns me. Whatever it is, its very Hewitt like to have a team come out, not shoot well, hang their head, not defend and be down big before you even blink. Today the team woke up but it wasn't until they were down big. Against really good teams, you can't just expect to play catch up that easily, because you have to have everything go right. I really hope this is addressed, because we didn't see this in the first two years, but we've seen it a lot this year. Not good.

2) Player development has been weird, while Grayer and Otis look like they have improved over time (without looking at any stats), the other guys you mentioned have not improved. I agree with you that with a team of guards, not shooting well is very concerning. There isn't even one guy who can go off (other than Grayer occasionally), and give that spark. Guys like Boyd and Kier are nice, but they appear to be more role players. Obviously they can't do everything and are being asked to do everything, but there hasnt' been much improvement in getting more out of them in my opinion. What is weird, is that Paulsen appears to have done so much with Jenkins and Moore (and even Shevon in year 1), that made them better contributors. Not sure if it was where they were at in their development since they were older, or just coincidence.

3) Recruiting is going to be a concern point. Being beat out for guys like Wood, Dowtin, and other guys who are legit players is a problem. It does appear each class is improving and once winning happens, I expect more players like Mar to sign up to come to Mason. Maybe not all the time, but they definitely need 1 or 2 guys to that level to compete in the A10 at the level we would like. Its going to be hard and they have continued to improve here, and winning and facilities should help.

4) As far as the leftover recruits, if guys don't want to stick around regardless of talent they wont. Also, off the court if they dont hold to the standard that the program wants, its better that they move on sooner than later. Would Porter and or Jackson etc have roles on a team like this? Absolutely. Newman and Relvao are definitely missed for what they would bring to the team. Would this team be that much better with Relvao and Newman? I'm not sure, other than they would bring depth and a big body to eat up the paint. Considering the level of the teams that Mason has played this year, I'm not so sure it would have mattered, but it certainly would have been nice to have Newman come off the bench and hit a few threes when Mason got down 10+, and I'm sure Relvao could have bumped their big guy around a bit.

For what its worth, I took a look at Hurley at URI, and while he had a 20 win season in year 3, the program took a step back in year 4, before year 5 was an NCAA bound team. Not saying that this will happen here, but I have to think that is the direction we may need to hope for. Next year I do agree we need to see significant progress that there is improvement for the long term, and the program needs to be above .500 and maybe NIT bound.

Overall there are definitely some good things we see, and some not such great things. I'd give him about a B considering where they started. TL;DR like everyone else I'm just really sick and tired of losing so I'm hoping this all gets right sooner than later.
 

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Otis and Jaire will be seniors next year. Do people honestly think they'll be that much better? Huge fan of both but Otis is just too damn small in comparison to other point guards. Love his heart and hustle but he isn't going to grow 5 inches. Jaire? I think he relies on the 3 too much. Last night he should have dunked on Mathews but went up soft and got rejected. But 81, Mathews is a possible NBA player. So what, throw it down on him. Jaire, to me, is too nice on the court. Developing a screw you attitude would go a long way in his case. It's an attitude that's hard to learn if you don't have it inside you naturally.

The sophs are disappointing. I am still waiting for Boyd to have a break out 20/10 game but it doesn't look like that is going to happen. He could be Marquise 2.0. He should drive to the rim and rebound. He has the body to do it. Boyd seems like another nice, quiet guy. Like Jaire, I would love to see him get pissed off and take it to someone. Kier is a nice kid who should be a role player off the bench. He is limited in his ability to beat anyone off the dribble. No outside threat at all. Teams are laying off to help knowing he isn't a legitimate 3 point threat.

The freshmen. Mar has the potential to be a very good player if, and it's a big if, he can put on 20 - 30 pounds. He is playing out of position currently and has to defend and try to score on those much bigger. My hat goes off to him for what he has done. I don't see any quit in the kid. Any success next year will depend on him making great strides. Calixte has shown subtle improvements in a short time. I can see him being a serviceable big. Wilson is a mystery. He has had one good game and disappeared in others. It appears to me that he wants to make the "spectacular" play. He needs to become more consistent and make the fundamental winning play. Time will tell whether he becomes a star, a contributor, or an after thought. Captain Obvious also reports that AJ will need to put on weight because he, like Mar has had to play out manned and out of position. Greene is growing as a player. Will he become the scoring and 3 point threat he was in high school? He is a better defender than I anticipated.

I am a homer, but not a blind one. I can look at the program objectively. If we play well, I'll say it. If we suck, I'll say it. It doesn't mean I am not a fan of the program.

I had us going 16 - 15 this year in a best case scenario. I had us going 9 - 22 in a worst case scenario. I took a lot of grief for the second prediction but we are trending more toward the 9 than the 16 wins. I don't know that Paulsen is the answer. I want him to be. I hope he can turn this around. But, he is responsible for this year.

We have a long way to go to reach the top of the A10. Improvement will start when we play 40 minutes night in and night out. We won't beat anyone if we only play a half. Will we be much better next year? I don't know that we will. Is Rueter going to make that much difference next year? Can't wait to find out.

In any event, I will still attend every home game, and some away, with the right to stay and cheer throughout or walk out early if we are stinking up the court.
 
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masonjoe

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Not for nothing, but I don’t buy that Hewitt left the program in such utter disrepair that we can’t reasonably expect to be better in year 3 under Paulsen.

Paulsen walked in the door with Jenkins, Moore, Gujanicic, Royal and Holloway (who quit) but yeah sure that's not a lot for a first year coach to have to fill in late May...
 

gmujim92

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Not gonna post a book like some of you MFers did, but anyone who thinks Kier hasn’t improved significantly this season either hasn’t watched the games or has no clue what he’s looking at.

Just because he’s not making 3s doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved in every other facet of the game. And he still has 2 more years to go. We may have 99 problems but Kier isn’t one.
 
I agree with your post, but the reality is he has 4 more years after this one remaining on his contract. At Mason, that means his seat won’t be legitimately hot for at least 3 more seasons regardless of the results.
Depends on how good/bad he is of course but probably correct.Money always #1, though of course that factors in on the negative side as well of the fan base isn't interested.

I know Mason wisely wants to err on the stability side as well with Paulsen.

Premature conversation, of course.
 
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