I don’t post much on here but all my complaints are ones that’s I have said about KH all year in person to people I watch the game with. He’s very loose with the ball and when he has it in his hands you know he’s going to try and get to the rim which does a team like ours no service. It’s stops the entire offense.
Goodbye Keyshawn Hall
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According to some, unless they are actually future Big East POY
LOL. No, that honor was reserved for Jared Reuter!!!!
FreeGunston12
All-American
Yes and no. There were definitely times when no one was making anything happen offensively and we needed SOMEBODY to take initiative and attack.
Tony needs to figure out how to fix that this offseason without Hall to fall back on.
What about the 3 games without Hall to close out the season? It seemed we had a lot more movement in those games, so, it seems Tony already solved it/knew it was an issue. Maybe not as much offense overall, but, more movement/better flow/less just standing around until the shot clock was winding down.
Also will have Haynes and looks like maybe 1-2 other bigs. The lack of a true post player really changed things. Will be interesting next year....
Updated list of schools who contacted Keyshawn Hall
Updated list of schools who contacted Keyshawn Hall
Updated list of schools who contacted Keyshawn Hall
Georgetown must not have as much interest as they did. They are only interested once.
FreeGunston12
All-American
We averaged 60.25 ppg in the last 4 while averaging 10 assists. So no, it was not something that I'd say was solved.
We have a lot of needs to fill, but I'd sat one of those is someone that can attack the basket and draw some attention.
That someone is Baraka Okojie
You seem to be arguing both sides. You were first saying that we need a "make it happen" type of guy and now you are bringing it back to scoring total of the entire team. No one was (well I wasn't) saying that the roster we finished the year with is what we need for this year.
It think others have hinted at it, but, I'll be more explicit. We were, for the most part, were running the "KH is a great player, but he has an ego and will throw a tantrum if we don't let him be the star offense". That caused a lot of standing around, at times, by the other players deferring to him, waiting for him to make his play. When he stopped playing, you could see signs that we were running a more fluid offense. As I acknowledged in the earlier post, it wasn't enough, but it was clearly different.
We definitely need/want some players that can score like he could, but I don't think we want a replica of KH.
Darius played noticeably better and more assertively once KH was out of the lineup. Gotta believe Tony is looking for guys who can put the ball in the bucket while playing within the team structure and keeping the ball moving — one guy playing 1 on 1 and the other four watching is not good offense.
I agree that the "Give and Go" offense of Keyshawn (Give ME the ball and go to Hell) was predictable and limited others. Also agree that the ball and player movement was better without Keyshawn. We have needs offensively that is for sure. Opponents could key on Maddox from the outside and just play off Baraka because he was not a threat from deep. I've said this before if Baraka can become a legit threat from deep the league is in trouble.
I'm hoping for better overall balance next year. I see Haynes as averaging around 15, Maddox around 15, and Okojie around 10-12. The rest is TBD. IF we land Anderson I feel confident that he'd be good for 15 a game as well. I don't think anyone here is expecting that Billups or Newton will suddenly blossom into double figure scorers but you never know. How much will Ball progress and what can he contribute? We clearly need more offensive weapons unless we want a repeat of this years .500 record in conference. Waiting to see what happens in the portal.
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Uh…Okojie can attack the basket?! He needs to improve his outside shot but his ability to get to the rim and finish through contact and draw fouls is pretty unparalleled.
Having Billups, Newton, and Polite (post injury) all on the floor at the same time probably hurt our assist rate and point totals. None of those guys were hitting shots at a high rate.
When you’ve only got a few scoring options things tend to big down (livingstone III for example). Very important to have a balanced team and why JM, Oduro and Kolek have improved play when they moved on.
Maybe Hall had the same thing in mind. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
Maybe Hall had the same thing in mind. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
ephoops
Starter
The Athletic rated Hall as the #36 player in the portal. Here is the write-up:
Hall is a fascinating player. After weighing nearly 300 pounds in high school, Hall is now down to the 230-pound range and added real shiftiness to his game. He averaged 16.6 points and 8.1 rebounds per game and was named second-team All-Atlantic-10 last season.
His shot profile is highly specific. Of his 273 halfcourt shot attempts last season, 107 were 3-pointers, 120 were at the rim and zero were dunks, per Synergy. Even with his weight loss, he still doesn’t have a ton of bounce. Instead, he’s an undersized 4 with guard skills who repeatedly drove to the rim from behind the arc or the mid-post. Most of his nominal post-up opportunities turned into face-up drives. His handle in these situations is creative, as he strings together a lot of different crossovers and spin moves.
He countered his desire to get to the rim by catching and firing from distance when those shot became available. He has a strange lefty stroke where his left leg flares forward, but he did drill nearly 36 percent of his four 3-point attempts per game.
While Hall can get to the rim at the A-10 level, his efficiency dropped drastically against good teams. He went 3-for-13 against Tennessee, 1-for-5 against Toledo, 4-for-13 against Tulane, 1-for-4 against Richmond, 3-for-11 against Dayton and 2-for-7 against Loyola Chicago. Can his game translate to the high-major level? Can he consistently finish below the rim against better competition? Will his shot continue to fall?
He’d be an interesting target for a school who already has shooters and is looking for more front court shot creation.
Hall is a fascinating player. After weighing nearly 300 pounds in high school, Hall is now down to the 230-pound range and added real shiftiness to his game. He averaged 16.6 points and 8.1 rebounds per game and was named second-team All-Atlantic-10 last season.
His shot profile is highly specific. Of his 273 halfcourt shot attempts last season, 107 were 3-pointers, 120 were at the rim and zero were dunks, per Synergy. Even with his weight loss, he still doesn’t have a ton of bounce. Instead, he’s an undersized 4 with guard skills who repeatedly drove to the rim from behind the arc or the mid-post. Most of his nominal post-up opportunities turned into face-up drives. His handle in these situations is creative, as he strings together a lot of different crossovers and spin moves.
He countered his desire to get to the rim by catching and firing from distance when those shot became available. He has a strange lefty stroke where his left leg flares forward, but he did drill nearly 36 percent of his four 3-point attempts per game.
While Hall can get to the rim at the A-10 level, his efficiency dropped drastically against good teams. He went 3-for-13 against Tennessee, 1-for-5 against Toledo, 4-for-13 against Tulane, 1-for-4 against Richmond, 3-for-11 against Dayton and 2-for-7 against Loyola Chicago. Can his game translate to the high-major level? Can he consistently finish below the rim against better competition? Will his shot continue to fall?
He’d be an interesting target for a school who already has shooters and is looking for more front court shot creation.
thebiasedannouncer
Sixth Man
I do think we lost offensive ability (bar Rhody who ended terribly and we had Maddox on a heater all game and Kelly dominated the second half), but I thought the defensive play was the big shift. The last four games basically w/o Keyshawn we let up 59,51,46,64. And that 64 was against one of the best offenses in the league. We need someone who can replace his offensive ability, while also not losing the defensive focus we regained at the end of the season.
This is a great point
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