Game 5: GMU (2-2) at East Carolina (3-0) on Saturday, November 16, at 4:00 PM.

GMUgemini

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The other option is replacing Billups with Anderson and play longer (not necessarily bigger).

Quigley
Maddox
Anderson
Newton
Emejuru

I have no idea how good Anderson would be guarding smaller 3s but you can just do an offense defense switch with him and Newton.
 

jruby

Sixth Man
They may need time to mesh, but there is no way this group is in for a 20 loss season.
I agree 20 loses Highly Highly unlikely. I think 8-10 place range is about right for this team. Cop State W, JMU better be a W they are awful, UNC ASh W, Tulane W, Duke 30 point L, Penn W, MSM W, Davidson W, RI L, Richmond W, Umass W, Dayton L, GW W, SB L, Loyola L, Davidson L, GW L, RI W, SL L, SJ W, vcu 20 point L, Fordham L, Duquesne W, La Salle W, Richmond L. 17-14 with a 7-11 A10 Record, which should get them right at around 9th place.
 

Petey Buckets

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Hello friends. Don't post here as much as I used to but now feels like a good time for one of my novellas. Lots of thoughts on this team, per usual:

- I think all the talk about who should play/ who shouldn't play misses the larger issue with this roster: basically every player is offense, defense, or IQ, and you can only pick one. There is no magical combination that absolves any of the glaring flaws each of these guys has.

- Haynes can't defend and Gio isn't polished enough to dominate against size the way he did against miniature Stony Brook. KD is a crazy person who's never been a good shooter. Billups and Woody are what they are at this point in their careers - defense + intangibles and any points they give you are gravy. BOC looks nice in a lot of ways, easy to see why the staff loves him, but not sure his game is suited to carry a scoring load or even be second banana to Darius. Quigley is our IQ guy but he's my size and gets hunted on defense for iso buckets (Pritchard from CMU absolutely killed him). I don't think Zach Anderson knows the offense yet. Begg's minutes are clearly building toward the future, he takes more than he gives when he's on the floor at the moment. The fits are awkward no matter who's on the floor.

- One of my prevailing theories of basketball is that you've gotta have dynamic scoring guards who can manufacture buckets. In this regard, Darius looks much improved this year - way more comfortable driving and finishing and drawing contact. Need him to keep that up, but we also need a clear second option behind him. The hierarchy is a mess - it's Darius plus a bunch of fourth + fifth options. Would love for BOC or KD or ZA or whoever to seize that role.

- When I say ZA doesn't know the offense, did anyone else notice that two different guys made the exact same turnover passing to Anderson on the wing? Billups against CMU and KD against ECU, both expected Anderson to show but instead he cut, and they both threw the ball straight out of bounds. I don't think he was on campus until August so hopefully this gets fixed quickly. I think someone else mentioned this but I also don't love him in the middle of the zone - he's one of the best catch and shoot guys in the entire NCAA for Christ's sake. He should be the reason teams can't zone us - instead he's passing to Billups open in the corner to clank a 3. Fix it Tony!

- Woody Newton appreciation: pretty cool to be able to have a guy like that play the 5 in a situation like the last play against CMU and execute his assignment perfectly. Unfortunately KD was out of position and didn't get the rebound, otherwise we're celebrating him for the block.

- Last thing I'll say on KDJ, better to have any of this nonsense out now than to let it fester all season like it did with Hall last year. KDJ is equal parts electric playmaking and Ronnie Polite with brain damage - good KD can help unlock a lot of things on this team.

- I want to see Quigley run point more. You may have to hide him on defense but if he unlocks our very clunky offense, it'll be more than worth it. He's a legit ballhandler, seems savvy, and puts an extra shooting threat on the floor that we desperately need.

TLDR the sky is not falling but there are no easy answers either. This season is gonna tell us a lot about Tony's coaching chops - feels very volatile in that the potential to be very good is there, but there's also a non zero chance things completely fall apart.
 

mkaufman1

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GIVING DAY 2023
Hello friends. Don't post here as much as I used to but now feels like a good time for one of my novellas. Lots of thoughts on this team, per usual:

- I think all the talk about who should play/ who shouldn't play misses the larger issue with this roster: basically every player is offense, defense, or IQ, and you can only pick one. There is no magical combination that absolves any of the glaring flaws each of these guys has.

- Haynes can't defend and Gio isn't polished enough to dominate against size the way he did against miniature Stony Brook. KD is a crazy person who's never been a good shooter. Billups and Woody are what they are at this point in their careers - defense + intangibles and any points they give you are gravy. BOC looks nice in a lot of ways, easy to see why the staff loves him, but not sure his game is suited to carry a scoring load or even be second banana to Darius. Quigley is our IQ guy but he's my size and gets hunted on defense for iso buckets (Pritchard from CMU absolutely killed him). I don't think Zach Anderson knows the offense yet. Begg's minutes are clearly building toward the future, he takes more than he gives when he's on the floor at the moment. The fits are awkward no matter who's on the floor.

- One of my prevailing theories of basketball is that you've gotta have dynamic scoring guards who can manufacture buckets. In this regard, Darius looks much improved this year - way more comfortable driving and finishing and drawing contact. Need him to keep that up, but we also need a clear second option behind him. The hierarchy is a mess - it's Darius plus a bunch of fourth + fifth options. Would love for BOC or KD or ZA or whoever to seize that role.

- When I say ZA doesn't know the offense, did anyone else notice that two different guys made the exact same turnover passing to Anderson on the wing? Billups against CMU and KD against ECU, both expected Anderson to show but instead he cut, and they both threw the ball straight out of bounds. I don't think he was on campus until August so hopefully this gets fixed quickly. I think someone else mentioned this but I also don't love him in the middle of the zone - he's one of the best catch and shoot guys in the entire NCAA for Christ's sake. He should be the reason teams can't zone us - instead he's passing to Billups open in the corner to clank a 3. Fix it Tony!

- Woody Newton appreciation: pretty cool to be able to have a guy like that play the 5 in a situation like the last play against CMU and execute his assignment perfectly. Unfortunately KD was out of position and didn't get the rebound, otherwise we're celebrating him for the block.

- Last thing I'll say on KDJ, better to have any of this nonsense out now than to let it fester all season like it did with Hall last year. KDJ is equal parts electric playmaking and Ronnie Polite with brain damage - good KD can help unlock a lot of things on this team.

- I want to see Quigley run point more. You may have to hide him on defense but if he unlocks our very clunky offense, it'll be more than worth it. He's a legit ballhandler, seems savvy, and puts an extra shooting threat on the floor that we desperately need.

TLDR the sky is not falling but there are no easy answers either. This season is gonna tell us a lot about Tony's coaching chops - feels very volatile in that the potential to be very good is there, but there's also a non zero chance things completely fall apart.
Good to see you on here dude- hope you visit and post more.
 

psyclone

Hall of Famer
Hello friends. Don't post here as much as I used to but now feels like a good time for one of my novellas. Lots of thoughts on this team, per usual:

- I think all the talk about who should play/ who shouldn't play misses the larger issue with this roster: basically every player is offense, defense, or IQ, and you can only pick one. There is no magical combination that absolves any of the glaring flaws each of these guys has.

- Haynes can't defend and Gio isn't polished enough to dominate against size the way he did against miniature Stony Brook. KD is a crazy person who's never been a good shooter. Billups and Woody are what they are at this point in their careers - defense + intangibles and any points they give you are gravy. BOC looks nice in a lot of ways, easy to see why the staff loves him, but not sure his game is suited to carry a scoring load or even be second banana to Darius. Quigley is our IQ guy but he's my size and gets hunted on defense for iso buckets (Pritchard from CMU absolutely killed him). I don't think Zach Anderson knows the offense yet. Begg's minutes are clearly building toward the future, he takes more than he gives when he's on the floor at the moment. The fits are awkward no matter who's on the floor.

- One of my prevailing theories of basketball is that you've gotta have dynamic scoring guards who can manufacture buckets. In this regard, Darius looks much improved this year - way more comfortable driving and finishing and drawing contact. Need him to keep that up, but we also need a clear second option behind him. The hierarchy is a mess - it's Darius plus a bunch of fourth + fifth options. Would love for BOC or KD or ZA or whoever to seize that role.

- When I say ZA doesn't know the offense, did anyone else notice that two different guys made the exact same turnover passing to Anderson on the wing? Billups against CMU and KD against ECU, both expected Anderson to show but instead he cut, and they both threw the ball straight out of bounds. I don't think he was on campus until August so hopefully this gets fixed quickly. I think someone else mentioned this but I also don't love him in the middle of the zone - he's one of the best catch and shoot guys in the entire NCAA for Christ's sake. He should be the reason teams can't zone us - instead he's passing to Billups open in the corner to clank a 3. Fix it Tony!

- Woody Newton appreciation: pretty cool to be able to have a guy like that play the 5 in a situation like the last play against CMU and execute his assignment perfectly. Unfortunately KD was out of position and didn't get the rebound, otherwise we're celebrating him for the block.

- Last thing I'll say on KDJ, better to have any of this nonsense out now than to let it fester all season like it did with Hall last year. KDJ is equal parts electric playmaking and Ronnie Polite with brain damage - good KD can help unlock a lot of things on this team.

- I want to see Quigley run point more. You may have to hide him on defense but if he unlocks our very clunky offense, it'll be more than worth it. He's a legit ballhandler, seems savvy, and puts an extra shooting threat on the floor that we desperately need.

TLDR the sky is not falling but there are no easy answers either. This season is gonna tell us a lot about Tony's coaching chops - feels very volatile in that the potential to be very good is there, but there's also a non zero chance things completely fall apart.
Great read! Definitely NOT TLDR! Please post more often!
 

Patriot Lawdog

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Our defense is much, much better than mediocre. Sorry I know people are frustrated but there’s no need to just make up stuff to be pissed about.

Edited to add, if we start rebounding better the defense has a chance to be elite.


Anderson has to start bringing more to the table than just a pretty jump shot or Woody will continue to get most of the minutes at the 4. Because while fans care mostly about scoring, coaches prioritize defense and Woody is also our best rebounding big.
Jim, "much much better than mediocre" is not giving up 78 to ECU and 70 to CMU. That's not even close to elite... I like Woody, but way too much of him for the way we play. Woody could be much more valuable in a more pressure based D that picked up the tempo, but he's a liability in the half court on offense.
 

psyclone

Hall of Famer
Jim, "much much better than mediocre" is not giving up 78 to ECU and 70 to CMU. That's not even close to elite... I like Woody, but way too much of him for the way we play. Woody could be much more valuable in a more pressure based D that picked up the tempo, but he's a liability in the half court on offense.
Not that Jim needs defending, but 17 of ECU's 78 pts were scored in the 2 ot's. CMU scored 62 pts at Marquette and Marquette is 24th in Div 1 in defensive efficiency.

Mason is currently 20th in defensive effective fg%. Sounds like "much better than mediocre" to me.
 

psyclone

Hall of Famer
Not that Jim needs defending, but 17 of ECU's 78 pts were scored in the 2 ot's. CMU scored 62 pts at Marquette and Marquette is 24th in Div 1 in defensive efficiency.

Mason is currently 20th in defensive effective fg%. Sounds like "much better than mediocre" to me.
Addendum: Marquette beats #12 Purdue 76-58. Boilermakers were the #3 team in Div 1 in offensive efficiency.
 

Verdad

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Not that Jim needs defending, but 17 of ECU's 78 pts were scored in the 2 ot's. CMU scored 62 pts at Marquette and Marquette is 24th in Div 1 in defensive efficiency.

Mason is currently 20th in defensive effective fg%. Sounds like "much better than mediocre" to me.
CMU also had only 64 pts with 21 seconds left in the game.
 

HoopsAdmin

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Hello friends. Don't post here as much as I used to but now feels like a good time for one of my novellas. Lots of thoughts on this team, per usual:

- I think all the talk about who should play/ who shouldn't play misses the larger issue with this roster: basically every player is offense, defense, or IQ, and you can only pick one. There is no magical combination that absolves any of the glaring flaws each of these guys has.

- Haynes can't defend and Gio isn't polished enough to dominate against size the way he did against miniature Stony Brook. KD is a crazy person who's never been a good shooter. Billups and Woody are what they are at this point in their careers - defense + intangibles and any points they give you are gravy. BOC looks nice in a lot of ways, easy to see why the staff loves him, but not sure his game is suited to carry a scoring load or even be second banana to Darius. Quigley is our IQ guy but he's my size and gets hunted on defense for iso buckets (Pritchard from CMU absolutely killed him). I don't think Zach Anderson knows the offense yet. Begg's minutes are clearly building toward the future, he takes more than he gives when he's on the floor at the moment. The fits are awkward no matter who's on the floor.

- One of my prevailing theories of basketball is that you've gotta have dynamic scoring guards who can manufacture buckets. In this regard, Darius looks much improved this year - way more comfortable driving and finishing and drawing contact. Need him to keep that up, but we also need a clear second option behind him. The hierarchy is a mess - it's Darius plus a bunch of fourth + fifth options. Would love for BOC or KD or ZA or whoever to seize that role.

- When I say ZA doesn't know the offense, did anyone else notice that two different guys made the exact same turnover passing to Anderson on the wing? Billups against CMU and KD against ECU, both expected Anderson to show but instead he cut, and they both threw the ball straight out of bounds. I don't think he was on campus until August so hopefully this gets fixed quickly. I think someone else mentioned this but I also don't love him in the middle of the zone - he's one of the best catch and shoot guys in the entire NCAA for Christ's sake. He should be the reason teams can't zone us - instead he's passing to Billups open in the corner to clank a 3. Fix it Tony!

- Woody Newton appreciation: pretty cool to be able to have a guy like that play the 5 in a situation like the last play against CMU and execute his assignment perfectly. Unfortunately KD was out of position and didn't get the rebound, otherwise we're celebrating him for the block.

- Last thing I'll say on KDJ, better to have any of this nonsense out now than to let it fester all season like it did with Hall last year. KDJ is equal parts electric playmaking and Ronnie Polite with brain damage - good KD can help unlock a lot of things on this team.

- I want to see Quigley run point more. You may have to hide him on defense but if he unlocks our very clunky offense, it'll be more than worth it. He's a legit ballhandler, seems savvy, and puts an extra shooting threat on the floor that we desperately need.

TLDR the sky is not falling but there are no easy answers either. This season is gonna tell us a lot about Tony's coaching chops - feels very volatile in that the potential to be very good is there, but there's also a non zero chance things completely fall apart.
All-Conference level material right here. Glad you're on our side, Petey.
 

Patriot Lawdog

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Not that Jim needs defending, but 17 of ECU's 78 pts were scored in the 2 ot's. CMU scored 62 pts at Marquette and Marquette is 24th in Div 1 in defensive efficiency.

Mason is currently 20th in defensive effective fg%. Sounds like "much better than mediocre" to me.
I include defensive rebounding as part of defense. It doesn't matter if the first 2 shots don't go in, but the opponent gets a 3rd crack and makes that one. I believe the stat was that we are in the 70s in defensive efficiency when factoring in rebounding.
 

gmujim92

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I include defensive rebounding as part of defense. It doesn't matter if the first 2 shots don't go in, but the opponent gets a 3rd crack and makes that one. I believe the stat was that we are in the 70s in defensive efficiency when factoring in rebounding.
There are 350+ teams in Division I now. Even if you’re in the 70s nationally in a category, that’s top 20% and that’s pretty freaking strong even with the subpar defensive rebounding.
 

gmubrian

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The thing that drove me the most crazy on Saturday was our (lack of) rebounding during free throw shooting. I think I counted 5 instances where we failed to get the rebound when they missed a free throw. How do you lose a 4 on 2 (or 3) battle that frequently especially since we had the biggest guy on the court for several of those?
 

GMUgemini

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The thing that drove me the most crazy on Saturday was our (lack of) rebounding during free throw shooting. I think I counted 5 instances where we failed to get the rebound when they missed a free throw. How do you lose a 4 on 2 (or 3) battle that frequently especially since we had the biggest guy on the court for several of those?

Either laziness or exhaustion
 

gmujim92

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The thing that drove me the most crazy on Saturday was our (lack of) rebounding during free throw shooting. I think I counted 5 instances where we failed to get the rebound when they missed a free throw. How do you lose a 4 on 2 (or 3) battle that frequently especially since we had the biggest guy on the court for several of those?
There was one either late in the second half or overtime where the ball actually hit the floor after a missed FT, three of our guys stood there looking at it and an ECU player ended up grabbing it.

I just about chucked my TV out the window.
 

tblack33

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North Alabama putting the screws to ECU so far, up 14 with 3 to go in the 1st. Hoping this loss doesn’t age terribly.
 
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