Game 32: A-10 Tournament Opening Round, Saint Louis University, Wednesday, March 9th, 6:30 PM, ASN

EXpatriot13

All-Conference
GIVING DAY 2023
How many times did our guys telegraph a pass last night? I could have picked some of those off. Too easy to read where they were going to throw it.

I counted at least three times where our guards tried to pass to Shevon who was either double or triple teamed. Moral of the story though - we couldn't defend the 3 if our lives depended on it last night.

Side note - this was my first in-person game in 3 years. Also my first time seeing vcu fans in the flesh in the same amount of time. I really did not like that.
 

Dawgs99

Starter
Bartley hit 7 out of 8 three pointers! Afrer the 3rd or 4th im assigning DeAndre to follow him to the bathroom. This is what I mean about our defense letting oppenents get to comfy. Bartley didnt break a sweat dropping 27 on us.


You've already lost all credibility when you want to use DeAndre as your defensive stopper. DeAndre is a traffic cone on defense despite his athletic gifts. Also just because we couldn't stop Bartley form getting the ball doesn't mean that wasn't the plan. Teams figured out that the way to make us look silly is to play small ball with 4 guards and make our bigs try to defend on the perimeter, we don't have the guards in the program right now to match up with anyone's small ball.....its just the facts of our roster as it is currently constructed.
 

Petey Buckets

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This one stings. Really wanted a win in the A-10 tournament for Shevon and Marko. Nothing but respect for those guys and they way they always battled and held their heads high, even through some awful times.

As far as last night, I'm not sure what we could have done differently. Our best perimeter defender was clearly hobbled. Our second best perimeter defender isn't really even that good at defending the perimeter and is a massive liability on offense. Jaire, Deandre, and Otis are all minus defenders. "Denying the ball" to the hot hand sounds great, but which ace defensive stopper of ours is actually going to be able to execute that strategy?

With limitations like this, it seems reasonable to sag, deny the paint, and encourage them to take long jumpers, understanding that you're in trouble if they get hot. Unfortunately, St. Louis got hot. We also didn't even do a great job of limiting dribble penetration since Shevon and Marko kept getting pulled out of the key by St. Louis's four guard lineup.

St. Louis smartly zoned us the entire game. Again, we took mostly open looks from three, but only hit 8-26. We're having a much different conversation today if we hit even an average number of our open threes. Good 3-point shooting papers over a lot of other deficiencies.

Paulsen did a great job coaching through a very limited roster this year. Our only advantage in most games (including last night) was our ability to crash the boards. Unfortunately that's not enough when almost every other team you play is going to be able to shoot better, defend better, and win the turnover battle.

Everyone stop arguing. Better times are ahead.
 
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Washingtonian

Washingtonian

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How many times did our guys telegraph a pass last night? I could have picked some of those off. Too easy to read where they were going to throw it.

When I went to the game at La Salle, I noticed the same thing (sitting closer to the floor, you really see more things).

This type of thing shouldn't occur this deep into a season.
 

GSII

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Every one DeAndre guarded with a hand up to contest their jumper, missed. You're right we don't have the bodies, but we should of at least tried this. Hopefully, next year we can be the team that gets hot from 3.
 

JimP

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I noticed St. Louis wasn't even trying to get offensive boards but were making sure to get back on D whenever they took a shot. The loss stings but hopefully when the tourney comes to DC Mason will be poised to make some noise in the A-10.
 

wijg

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Not mugged.

More likely he was paper macheed into a pink body suit, glued to a wall and butt raped with slim jims by a group wearing overalls and track suit jackets as some sort of performance art piece.

Just sayin....

Hey, there is no reason for such foul, stereotyped talk about slim jims.
 

GMU92

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Not mugged.

More likely he was paper macheed into a pink body suit, glued to a wall and butt raped with slim jims by a group wearing overalls and track suit jackets as some sort of performance art piece.

Just sayin....

Had to laugh, I was watching Salvage Dawgs the other day and Mike Whiteside was talking about a project his daughter was working on as a fiber/textiles/materials/???? art major at vcu. He had the proud Pa Pa smile that screamed "oh God, I'll be paying my daughter's bills forever".
 

stimes

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So I guess our freshman PG, who weighs 160 pounds soaking wet and has played the most minutes of anybody on our team because his backup is a walk-on, was supposed to be able to run the team and score AND lock down one of the two 6-4 guards who got hot for SLU last night.

It's f*cking ridiculous. Seriously it's like some of you people have never played a competitive sport in your lives.

I get the frustration. I hate losing as much as anyone. But we've known all season that our roster is limited, and the coaches and players are doing the best they can with the weapons they have. Why is anyone surprised to see the limitations manifested on the court?

My frustration lies with the f*cking clowns who killed our program in the first place. I have nothing but appreciation for the people who are working their asses off to rebuild it.

Better times lie ahead, but it's not an overnight process. If you can't accept that, go root for Kentucky.

Hope to see some of you in October.
What season have you been watching? Otis gets killed by every point guard he plays against. The guy he was guarding averaged 3pts a game last night, and had a career high 26pts. No that is not acceptable! At some point you have to take pride in your Defense. The only freshman that tries to play defense is Murrel. I don't see next season being much better if these guys don't learn to play defense. DEFENSE WINS GAMES!!!!!!!
 

Petey Buckets

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I can't believe anyone could watch Otis play D and come away thinking it's a pride/effort issue. He's not good, but he tries his little heart out. His biggest problem is that he gets screened out of the play too easily. He doesn't have the length to contest jumpers if he goes under, and he hasn't learned how to fight over without getting out of position. He almost exclusively goes under screens as a result, which will concede jumpers (like last night) but keeps our defense from turning into a layup line. These problems are exacerbated by the fact that Shevon and Marko's guys are usually doing the screening, and they don't have the quickness to help and recover effectively.

I think you're confusing effort with results. Saying a guy must not be trying on defense because his mark scored a lot of points is lazy, Skip Bayless level analysis.
 

gmujim92

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What season have you been watching? Otis gets killed by every point guard he plays against. The guy he was guarding averaged 3pts a game last night, and had a career high 26pts. No that is not acceptable! At some point you have to take pride in your Defense. The only freshman that tries to play defense is Murrel. I don't see next season being much better if these guys don't learn to play defense. DEFENSE WINS GAMES!!!!!!!

That kid gave his heart and soul for his team this season, played almost every meaningful minute and got thrown around like a rag doll trying to guard bigger, stronger guys as a true freshman in one of the best basketball leagues in America.

Quite frankly, you're not qualified to question his effort. Not even close.
 

GMUgemini

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It's going to be a long offseason...

By the way, I think it's a fair question to wonder how much better Otis, Jaire and Abram can be as defenders moving forward, because for long stretches of the season it was pretty bad and is obviously a point of anxiety for many fans.

This is what I'll say to that, though, if they can't defend, they're not going to play and Paulsen will recruit guys who can. There's nothing right now that says Moore can't take over point guard for next season, with Newman/Kier at the 2 and Boyd at the three. It's pretty obvious Paulsen is not afraid to start freshman, and many Bucknell posters have told us he'll sacrifice offensively talented players for defenders.

It's going to be a long offseason...
 

GMU_Polevaulter

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It's going to be a long offseason...

By the way, I think it's a fair question to wonder how much better Otis, Jaire and Abram can be as defenders moving forward, because for long stretches of the season it was pretty bad and is obviously a point of anxiety for many fans.

This is what I'll say to that, though, if they can't defend, they're not going to play and Paulsen will recruit guys who can. There's nothing right now that says Moore can't take over point guard for next season, with Newman/Kier at the 2 and Boyd at the three. It's pretty obvious Paulsen is not afraid to start freshman, and many Bucknell posters have told us he'll sacrifice offensively talented players for defenders.

It's going to be a long offseason...

Cut the freshman some slack - if you watched the quality wins - you saw they played defense during the games. I think that down the stretch they were tired. Yes - they have work to do both on offense and defense but it is a big adjustment going from High School to D1 College Athletics. It does not matter that prior to College they played and practiced all the time. The intensity of the work outs, the speed of the game, the size of the players, weight lifting in the morning then practice in the afternoon, all the road trips, then you throw in "College" - studying, class and the social life - things kids not playing D1 sports sometime struggle with and its a lot. I speak from experience - these guys were wearing down but this year will really pay dividends for next year and beyond.

Otis and Jaire (should have been on all A10 rookie team) played minutes that would wear a Senior out.

I really appreciated this teams effort and improvement this year - it was bumpy and up and down but I think we are headed in the right direction.
 

Vurbel

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Not mugged.

More likely he was paper macheed into a pink body suit, glued to a wall and butt raped with slim jims by a group wearing overalls and track suit jackets as some sort of performance art piece.

Just sayin....

I stand corrected. :)
 
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