Game 31: AT Virginia Commonwealth University, Saturday, March 4th, 2 PM, MASN

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I know it's been said and argued over many times on these boards, but this 4-guard lineup just isn't going to work against high-level competition. Especially when the 5th man is more PF than C and not at all a rim protector.

We're too conservative on the defensive side of the ball for the undersized lineup to really work against any team with a competent 4. Tillman 11-13 from the floor right now. vcu also only has 3 TOs, and I know they've been prone to turnovers this year.

Also, 1-9 from 3 isn't going to cut it on the offensive side either.
 

FreeGunston12

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Right, but then you're playing 4 on 5 on offense. We need an athletic big that has some offensive game. From what I hear, help is on the way.
Let me clarify - I am not suggesting we have much choice with our current roster. Just hope that we don't have to live with this hole in our roster for too long. From what I've seen, Mar doesn't appear to be an intimating defensive force inside and is smaller than Jenkins.
 

Junkees9

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Two points: (1) vcu is simply better than we are; (2) related to #1, we continue to be weak up front. No one other than Jenkins can handle their big guys. As others have stated, I am really concerned about our front court when Jalen leaves.
 

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That got boring. This team is so out of gas, it's unbelievable. You could actually see the moment in the second half where they decided they weren't going to win - and there was still a LOT of time left. Not what I was used to seeing this year; looked more like a Hewitt team.
 

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Few thoughts...

Muting the tv and listening to Bill is always a good choice

That said, Jenkins did okay on MAC, but had no answer for Tillman. Hopefully with guys like Mar and Wilson will help with that when teams have athletic 4s who go for it on the glass. It was hard to get into a rhythm on offense, get spacing and good shots with vcu's defensive scheme. They did a little better at points in the second half, but by that point it was just too much to over come. Everytime Mason went on a run vcu got on a run right back.

Tillman looks like sideshow Bob, and Johnny Williams looks like a homeless person.

The vcu 6 play senior class won 101 games, obviously thats Shaka recruiting them- lets see how boy wonder does developing his own players.

That said, all in all a great conference season, 9-9 with such a young team is very good progress, and more reinforcements are coming. Onward and upward. Lets hope they can get a win in the tournament, and I would consider this season a fantastic success.
 

Mason2005

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Giving that game to their crowd. When we cut the lead to 3 in the second half the place got so loud, the team tried to hit some home run plays to shut them up. 4 or 5 empty possessions and it was ball game. Time to move on and win the conf tournament.

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I'm very happy with the season to date. Simply too many seniors on vcu to beat them. Hopefully GW can pull off the big upset tonight.

One thing I like with this GMU squad - no matter what happens on offense, they always get back and play hard on defense.
 

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A couple things stood out about this game for me:

- vcu's size and physicality was overwhelming. Not just Tillman, but their guards are big and strong as well. Doughty, Brooks, and Burgess are all long, physical players. Not a great matchup for us when we're starting Otis, who's tiny, and Kier, who's tall but not very strong at the moment.

- Love what we've seen from Boyd lately. He looked totally comfortable against vcu's system. Feels like he should've gotten more than 22 minutes in a game where the threes weren't falling and Kier was a non-factor on offense. I would have liked to see Boyd on the floor with Grayer more but for the most part it looked like Boyd was only in when Grayer was out. I think Boyd taking Kier's minutes could have given us a better chance to match vcu's physicality.

- Turnovers are a problem for us *on both sides of the ball.* We're now bottom 10 in the country in opponent turnover percentage. Only one team in the bottom 20 gives up less than 1 point per possession and that's UCF, who has a 7'6" center to anchor the post. Our turnovers on offense are glaring, but the turnovers we aren't forcing are just as much of a problem. When you don't turn the opponent over you let them get shots up on just about every trip down the floor. This hurts more when your best option to guard the opposing 4 is 6'4", 190. Dave has done a tremendous job this season, but I still think the choice to stay in a conventional, standard defensive set with a four-guard lineup is questionable.

- Relvao looked not terrible. He had a block that's unfortunately omitted from the box score but it's encouraging to see him play some good minutes. It's interesting that Temara didn't see the floor at all, but Tillman/Cox/Hamdy probably would have eaten his lunch.

Disappointing but not unexpected loss. Always frustrating when vcu gets to play prison rules defense and the refs call touch fouls on our guys, but that's how it works when they're bigger and stronger.
 

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I'm not going to make excuses I hate everything about vcu their gym their fans are Beyond obnoxious, but, they have good players and we have what we have. I thought it was Highly Questionable that we did not insert another big to help guard Tillman. in my opinion jenkins should have been on Tillman and revollo should have been on Cox at certain points in the second half. We made it way too easy for Tillman to kill us down low. And I'm not so sure of that what we have coming in next year is going to help when we see this team again. Remember they are freshmen. Tillman will be a junior. If GW wins tonight we get to play vcu as the 7th if we win our first game, the big question I have is will the adjustment be made to play with 2 bigs.
 

Vurbel

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I'm not going to make excuses I hate everything about vcu their gym their fans are Beyond obnoxious, but, they have good players and we have what we have. I thought it was Highly Questionable that we did not insert another big to help guard Tillman. in my opinion jenkins should have been on Tillman and revollo should have been on Cox at certain points in the second half. We made it way too easy for Tillman to kill us down low. And I'm not so sure of that what we have coming in next year is going to help when we see this team again. Remember they are freshmen. Tillman will be a junior. If GW wins tonight we get to play vcu as the 7th if we win our first game, the big question I have is will the adjustment be made to play with 2 bigs.

I have no problem with their players or how they conduct themselves on the court. It's their fans!


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I'm not going to make excuses I hate everything about vcu their gym their fans are Beyond obnoxious, but, they have good players and we have what we have. I thought it was Highly Questionable that we did not insert another big to help guard Tillman. in my opinion jenkins should have been on Tillman and revollo should have been on Cox at certain points in the second half. We made it way too easy for Tillman to kill us down low. And I'm not so sure of that what we have coming in next year is going to help when we see this team again. Remember they are freshmen. Tillman will be a junior. If GW wins tonight we get to play vcu as the 7th if we win our first game, the big question I have is will the adjustment be made to play with 2 bigs.

We've been over this a thousand times: We don't have 2 bigs who can function together in Dave's offense.

Jalen cannot do what the 4 needs to be able to do in our system. Neither can Troy (yet), Daniel or Danny. And don't get me started on the dead horse that is Abram.

For what we MIGHT gain defensively by playing 2 bigs, we lose much more in our ability to score.

We can wish it wasn't so, but it is.
 

KAOriginal

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- Relvao looked not terrible. He had a block that's unfortunately omitted from the box score but it's encouraging to see him play some good minutes. It's interesting that Temara didn't see the floor at all, but Tillman/Cox/Hamdy probably would have eaten his lunch.

Everytime I see on here the criticisms of playing the 4 guard line up....and how Temara, et al should play etc.....I ask myself.....how many of these arm chair coaches see practice everyday?

Unlike Hewitt, we can pretty much trust Paulsen to make pretty good decisions. And I am sure after 2 seasons and live practices....if he thought he could find an answer or solution in doing so....he would have done it by now. But to think he's putting a 6'4" 190 kid to guard a 4...tells me that he thinks that's the best he can do. In fact I am willing to bet he is putting THE BEST athletes on the floor and hoping that makes up for size.

I mean this is pretty much it:

For what we MIGHT gain defensively by playing 2 bigs, we lose much more in our ability to score.
 

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We've been over this a thousand times: We don't have 2 bigs who can function together in Dave's offense.

Jalen cannot do what the 4 needs to be able to do in our system. Neither can Troy (yet), Daniel or Danny. And don't get me started on the dead horse that is Abram.

For what we MIGHT gain defensively by playing 2 bigs, we lose much more in our ability to score.

We can wish it wasn't so, but it is.
All knowing gmujim. If you are correct regarding two bigs being incapable of playing on the court together don't you think we could at least give it s try. Every team we have played that starts two bigs that are above average we get beat Vcux2 making Tillman look all American Rhode Island and Dayton. You would think he would give it a try a least once. Boyd and grayers defense on Tillman was a part of the reason why we got crushed today. I think relvao is terrible but he wasn't today and I would have thought that jalen could try and help on Tillman to ensure he didn't go 11-13 like he did
 

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All knowing gmujim. If you are correct regarding two bigs being incapable of playing on the court together don't you think we could at least give it s try. Every team we have played that starts two bigs that are above average we get beat Vcux2 making Tillman look all American Rhode Island and Dayton. You would think he would give it a try a least once. Boyd and grayers defense on Tillman was a part of the reason why we got crushed today. I think relvao is terrible but he wasn't today and I would have thought that jalen could try and help on Tillman to ensure he didn't go 11-13 like he did
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