Quentin Daniels
Hall of Famer
Sounds familiar.
Game 25: Fordham University, Wednesday, February 18, 7 PM, NO TV
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Sounds familiar.
KAOriginal
All-American
Dear God Pecora has been worse than Hewitt and is still employed an apparently only a few people give a rats a** there.
Please Mason...we gave up on being the Gonzaga of the east, don't settle for being the the Fordham of the Mid Atlantic.........
Pablo
Hall of Famer
Fordham's game notes - see http://www.fordhamsports.com/documents/2015/2/17/BBNotes1415GMU.pdf:
"THE GEORGE MASON SERIES: Wednesday night’s contest will be the fourth meeting between Fordham and George Mason on the hardwood… The Rams have taken the first three meetings, including both of last year’s match-ups… The Rams defeated the Patriots, 76-70, on January 22 in the Rose Hill Gym as Branden Frazier netted 22 points for the Rams and Jon Severe added 21 and 70-67 in the first round of the Atlantic 10 Championship at the Barclays Center on March 12 as Frazier and Bryan Smith each netted 14 points for Fordham and Ryan Canty grabbed a career-high 19 rebounds... Fordham won the first matchup, 64-55, on December 30, 2000 in the consolation game of the Cable Car Classic at Santa Clara."
"THE GEORGE MASON SERIES: Wednesday night’s contest will be the fourth meeting between Fordham and George Mason on the hardwood… The Rams have taken the first three meetings, including both of last year’s match-ups… The Rams defeated the Patriots, 76-70, on January 22 in the Rose Hill Gym as Branden Frazier netted 22 points for the Rams and Jon Severe added 21 and 70-67 in the first round of the Atlantic 10 Championship at the Barclays Center on March 12 as Frazier and Bryan Smith each netted 14 points for Fordham and Ryan Canty grabbed a career-high 19 rebounds... Fordham won the first matchup, 64-55, on December 30, 2000 in the consolation game of the Cable Car Classic at Santa Clara."
GMURaider
Sixth Man
4.4 at home against the Fordham Rams....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyduML3SNfo
at least someone will rescue us soon after the boat goes down...
GMURaider
Sixth Man
OP
Washingtonian
Hall of Famer
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Line is 4.5 now.
Pablo
Hall of Famer
http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2015/02/fordhamgeorge-mason-preview.html:
"Jaden Daly: Catch us up to speed on the Patriots. What have they done, or not done, since the upset win over Iona in December?
Alan Kelly: George Mason seemed to turn a bit of a corner in late November and early December, and the win over Iona was the second win in what would be a streak of four wins in five games (with the only loss coming at then #18 Oklahoma). But after their initial Atlantic 10 opening win over La Salle on January 3, the same old problems that plagued the team early in the year returned: critical lapses on perimeter defense, turnovers, incorrect offensive positioning, lengthy scoring droughts, lack of fundamentals, mental miscues in high pressure situations, and inability to close out the last minute of ballgames. The Patriots lost nine of their next ten games, before their overtime victory over Richmond on Saturday in Fairfax.
Some of the problems can undoubtedly be tied to health and ever-shifting rotations. Senior center Erik Copes left the team after the fall semester. Marquise Moore injured his ankle against Wright State on December 23, which led to him missing two games and being limited in several others. Julian Royal has been in and out of the lineup while recovering from an offseason hand injury that required followup surgery in November. Marko Gujanicic missed three games with a concussion. Patrick Holloway missed three games with a blood infection, and wasn't himself for a couple weeks before that. But the bottom line is that this year's Patriots are a very limited offensive team, and they don't have much of a margin for error, either in game plan and preparation, or in execution on the court.
JD: Aside from Shevon Thompson and Patrick Holloway, is there a trusted offensive option that can be an integral piece to win? It seems like Jalen Jenkins might be one, but his stats seem to indicate he hasn't made the progress some would have expected.
AK: Sophomore point guard Marquise Moore is the third cog to the Mason offense alongside Thompson and Holloway. When he's full strength, not only is he a capable floor general, but his ability to drive the lane for layups and draw fouls is an asset and he's capable of scoring 20 points on any given night. He's also been adding a mid-range jumper that's as ugly as any jump shot you've seen, but quite effective.
Jalen Jenkins should be in this same discussion, but he had been very foul prone and very inconsistent in his sophomore season. You don't have to look any farther than his point totals from the last five games to see the problem: 11, 15, 1, 6, and 15 points. When he stays out of foul trouble, and his teammates are able get him the ball, he can be an effective scoring option. On Saturday, Shevon Thompson had a beautiful pass out of a double-team to a wide open Jenkins for the easy dunk.
Senior point guard Corey Edwards has become the starting option as a shooting guard, primarily because he's the only truly reliable three point shooter besides Holloway. He's scored in double figures in five of his last nine games.
JD: With that said, do you expect tonight's effort to be centered more on defense, and limiting Fordham inside?
AK: Defense really is the key to Mason's chances this season. There's a pretty fixed ceiling on how many points they can score, so they have to hold teams to the low 60s if they're going to win. And defensively, the Patriots are a reasonably solid, average squad. They have the height and size to be disruptive in the paint, with Thompson, Jenkins, and freshman Trey Porter all capable of blocking shots.
The real inconsistencies for the Patriots have been around the perimeter. When they aggressively defend the three-point arc, they force bad shots and turnovers, but they have a history of perimeter breakdowns, especially late in games and after broken plays. They did an outstanding job against Davidson's shooters the first time around and completely frustrated the Wildcats guards, but the second time around last week, it seemed like they let their guard down and they got torched. Defense was a point of emphasis against Richmond (Kendall Anthony finished without a made three-pointer) and I'm sure it will continue to be one.
JD: This group has been in their share of close games in the conference season, with only three wins to show for it. With four difficult games leading into the Atlantic 10 tournament, how much more important does this game become, and can the Patriots use this as a springboard to an upset or two before they arrive in Brooklyn?
AK: One hallmark of the Paul Hewitt era has been that almost nothing is ever a springboard for a long streak, either positively or negatively, and thus predictions about anything long term are fruitless. His teams are usually pretty good at shaking off a loss, having a short memory, and moving on to the next one, but on the other hand, he has never managed to build any lengthy winning momentum, either. The most important consideration right now is whether the Patriots can coax enough wins from their regular season slate to avoid the dreaded opening night round on Wednesday in Brooklyn. I think they will continue to play hard, and an upset wouldn't shock me, but I don't know that those games have much relevance to what will happen in Brooklyn. Momentum doesn't seem to exist with this team.
JD: Finally, we asked this earlier in the season, but feel there may be more of a concrete answer: What does Paul Hewitt need to do to survive the offseason?
AK: Sitting at 8-16 on the season and 3-9 in the league, I don't believe there is anything Hewitt can do, short of hanging another Final Four banner in the Patriot Center. None of the goals I suggested when we talked in November have been achieved, and he's now guaranteed of a second consecutive losing regular season, with a very real shot at 20 losses. A six game winning streak would be a good place to start, and winning the A10 tournament in Brooklyn would markedly change the conversation, but I just don't see it happening."
POSTED BY JADEN DALY AT 12:17 AM
"Jaden Daly: Catch us up to speed on the Patriots. What have they done, or not done, since the upset win over Iona in December?
Alan Kelly: George Mason seemed to turn a bit of a corner in late November and early December, and the win over Iona was the second win in what would be a streak of four wins in five games (with the only loss coming at then #18 Oklahoma). But after their initial Atlantic 10 opening win over La Salle on January 3, the same old problems that plagued the team early in the year returned: critical lapses on perimeter defense, turnovers, incorrect offensive positioning, lengthy scoring droughts, lack of fundamentals, mental miscues in high pressure situations, and inability to close out the last minute of ballgames. The Patriots lost nine of their next ten games, before their overtime victory over Richmond on Saturday in Fairfax.
Some of the problems can undoubtedly be tied to health and ever-shifting rotations. Senior center Erik Copes left the team after the fall semester. Marquise Moore injured his ankle against Wright State on December 23, which led to him missing two games and being limited in several others. Julian Royal has been in and out of the lineup while recovering from an offseason hand injury that required followup surgery in November. Marko Gujanicic missed three games with a concussion. Patrick Holloway missed three games with a blood infection, and wasn't himself for a couple weeks before that. But the bottom line is that this year's Patriots are a very limited offensive team, and they don't have much of a margin for error, either in game plan and preparation, or in execution on the court.
JD: Aside from Shevon Thompson and Patrick Holloway, is there a trusted offensive option that can be an integral piece to win? It seems like Jalen Jenkins might be one, but his stats seem to indicate he hasn't made the progress some would have expected.
AK: Sophomore point guard Marquise Moore is the third cog to the Mason offense alongside Thompson and Holloway. When he's full strength, not only is he a capable floor general, but his ability to drive the lane for layups and draw fouls is an asset and he's capable of scoring 20 points on any given night. He's also been adding a mid-range jumper that's as ugly as any jump shot you've seen, but quite effective.
Jalen Jenkins should be in this same discussion, but he had been very foul prone and very inconsistent in his sophomore season. You don't have to look any farther than his point totals from the last five games to see the problem: 11, 15, 1, 6, and 15 points. When he stays out of foul trouble, and his teammates are able get him the ball, he can be an effective scoring option. On Saturday, Shevon Thompson had a beautiful pass out of a double-team to a wide open Jenkins for the easy dunk.
Senior point guard Corey Edwards has become the starting option as a shooting guard, primarily because he's the only truly reliable three point shooter besides Holloway. He's scored in double figures in five of his last nine games.
JD: With that said, do you expect tonight's effort to be centered more on defense, and limiting Fordham inside?
AK: Defense really is the key to Mason's chances this season. There's a pretty fixed ceiling on how many points they can score, so they have to hold teams to the low 60s if they're going to win. And defensively, the Patriots are a reasonably solid, average squad. They have the height and size to be disruptive in the paint, with Thompson, Jenkins, and freshman Trey Porter all capable of blocking shots.
The real inconsistencies for the Patriots have been around the perimeter. When they aggressively defend the three-point arc, they force bad shots and turnovers, but they have a history of perimeter breakdowns, especially late in games and after broken plays. They did an outstanding job against Davidson's shooters the first time around and completely frustrated the Wildcats guards, but the second time around last week, it seemed like they let their guard down and they got torched. Defense was a point of emphasis against Richmond (Kendall Anthony finished without a made three-pointer) and I'm sure it will continue to be one.
JD: This group has been in their share of close games in the conference season, with only three wins to show for it. With four difficult games leading into the Atlantic 10 tournament, how much more important does this game become, and can the Patriots use this as a springboard to an upset or two before they arrive in Brooklyn?
AK: One hallmark of the Paul Hewitt era has been that almost nothing is ever a springboard for a long streak, either positively or negatively, and thus predictions about anything long term are fruitless. His teams are usually pretty good at shaking off a loss, having a short memory, and moving on to the next one, but on the other hand, he has never managed to build any lengthy winning momentum, either. The most important consideration right now is whether the Patriots can coax enough wins from their regular season slate to avoid the dreaded opening night round on Wednesday in Brooklyn. I think they will continue to play hard, and an upset wouldn't shock me, but I don't know that those games have much relevance to what will happen in Brooklyn. Momentum doesn't seem to exist with this team.
JD: Finally, we asked this earlier in the season, but feel there may be more of a concrete answer: What does Paul Hewitt need to do to survive the offseason?
AK: Sitting at 8-16 on the season and 3-9 in the league, I don't believe there is anything Hewitt can do, short of hanging another Final Four banner in the Patriot Center. None of the goals I suggested when we talked in November have been achieved, and he's now guaranteed of a second consecutive losing regular season, with a very real shot at 20 losses. A six game winning streak would be a good place to start, and winning the A10 tournament in Brooklyn would markedly change the conversation, but I just don't see it happening."
POSTED BY JADEN DALY AT 12:17 AM
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In what year?I predict Hewitt will be fired after the loss to Fordham.
Pablo
Hall of Famer
Another trip down memory lane - see http://defiantlydutch.blogspot.com/2010/01/mom-always-said-it-was-foolish-to-hate.html:
“'That’s Mason,” Tom Pecora said afterward. 'Their reputation precedes them.'
'I’m a big man,' Pecora said. 'I know how to take a beating and I know how to give one. It’s a round world.'”
Also - see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40220-2005Jan26.html:
"Notes: Hofstra Coach Tom Pecora, who is Italian-American, said he and some of his assistants were on the receiving end of ethnic slurs throughout the game. According to Pecora, the slurs came from a group of fans sitting on the baseline near the Hofstra bench."
“'That’s Mason,” Tom Pecora said afterward. 'Their reputation precedes them.'
'I’m a big man,' Pecora said. 'I know how to take a beating and I know how to give one. It’s a round world.'”
Also - see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40220-2005Jan26.html:
"Notes: Hofstra Coach Tom Pecora, who is Italian-American, said he and some of his assistants were on the receiving end of ethnic slurs throughout the game. According to Pecora, the slurs came from a group of fans sitting on the baseline near the Hofstra bench."
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Looks like it could be another bad weather night. After what I experienced coming home from the game Saturday, I'm debating whether it's worth another treacherous trip home just to watch two bad basketball teams play.
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/national-weather-service-issues-advisory-wednesday-0
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/national-weather-service-issues-advisory-wednesday-0
If they have the timing right, your issue is more likely going to be getting to the game. Wouldn't be surprised if they have the main roads cleared by the end of the game.
A disaster is more likely to happen inside the arena...
Yeah, every forecast I've heard pegs the snow as starting between 4 and 5 and ending between 8 and 9. I'm viewing the game as somewhere to stop in and wait out the snow on my way home from work.
A.-Siegfried
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yes, that dusting of snow we are going to get will make it a real pain to get to the Patriot Center. Were you guys some of the people lining up Monday at the grocery store because you wouldn't be able to leave your house for....
...12 hours?
...12 hours?
Pablo
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Masonman
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Mr. Traffic Guy, it should have taken me 20 minutes to get home Saturday night after the game, but it took more than an hour thanks to the dusting of snow. If there is even a dusting of snow (as you predict) during rush hour tonight, I assure you I'm potentially looking at 90 minutes to get there with traffic.
I will continue to monitor the forecast before making my decision, but forgive me in advance for wavering on whether I want to endure that to see see two bad teams face off for Queen of the Pigs bragging rights.
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A.-Siegfried
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I just question your dedication, that's all.
And were you in line on Monday? Did you get enough bread, milk and TP to last until noon on Tuesday?
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