Game 20: AT Duquesne University, Saturday, January 20th, 4:30 PM, NBCSN

Patriot8

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I know it’s asking too much to appreciate the fact that our guys played their f*cking guts out.

But I guess their disappointment pales in comparison to yours.
They play their guts out every game Jim. I’ve never suggested anything to the contrary. Also never questioned their level of disappointment. My disappointment lies in fans just being happy we got to overtime on national tv, and not acknowledging the fact that we didn’t close out a lead. Young team, and as DP said they will be really frustrating sometimes. I am expressing my frustration.
 

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Lets see up by 3 with 20 seconds left , the other team has hit 15 threes and we dont foul. Call me second guesser but the right play was to foul, hope they miss a shot or not and still get the ball back up by one.

DP WTF.

Or Grab that board and game is over.
 

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Also, can we just stick by perimeter shooters? If we get beat inside I can live with it.

Agreed...if we can't recover fast enough on shooters, we've got to stop collapsing on the paint. You can live with teams making shots against you as long as you know every single shot is going to get contested, but way too often we let other teams just run us like we are a scout team.
 

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Lets see up by 3 with 20 seconds left , the other team has hit 15 threes and we dont foul. Call me second guesser but the right play was to foul, hope they miss a shot or not and still get the ball back up by one.

DP WTF.

Too much time left to foul there. Different story when it’s 10 seconds or less.

We got the missed 3 we needed, just couldn’t quite corral the rebound and they hit an open 3. It happens.
 

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They play their guts out every game Jim. I’ve never suggested anything to the contrary. Also never questioned their level of disappointment. My disappointment lies in fans just being happy we got to overtime on national tv, and not acknowledging the fact that we didn’t close out a lead. Young team, and as DP said they will be really frustrating sometimes. I am expressing my frustration.
Dude, no one is "happy" to lose in 2OT to anyone, anywhere. Duquesne didn't close out their leads until 1 minute remained in the 2nd OT. It was anyone's game many times at the end of regulation and both OTs. Duquesne had a lot to say about who was going to take that game. So did the refs. So did the home fans. Mason couldn't overcome all of them tonight.

I'm happy that one of the 10 youngest teams in the NCAA D1 shows heart, determination, and grit. It is frustrating to see the inconsistencies, but Mason is moving in the right direction—that's what I'm happiest about.
 

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Certainly disappointing, mason isn't as bad as their record indicates and Duquesne isn't as good as their record indicates.
 

GMU_DCU

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That was a gritty and tough effort, team was gassed and gave it all they had. Not going to pick at individual performances especially playing with a 7 man roster on the road and going to 2 OTs. I’m proud of the effort and the team not giving up after going down by double digits twice.
 
That was a gritty and tough effort, team was gassed and gave it all they had. Not going to pick at individual performances especially playing with a 7 man roster on the road and going to 2 OTs. I’m proud of the effort and the team not giving up after going down by double digits twice.
Should we give them a participation medal as well? Congrats boys on net getting blown out.
 

MasonCrew

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Obviously not happy with the loss, but I thought we showed a lot of good things in that game. Particularly Justin, and Ian. If we have even a bad day from three point land, we win. That said, I was really impressed with how we attacked the basket. The turnovers continue to be frustrating, and there were a few just boneheaded plays that led to their baskets (like the turnover on the inbound after we bring it to one).

For what it's worth I was at the bar and some guy next to me was like ugh "Mason's on TV. They suck." By the end of the game, he was like you know they've really improved since I last watched them. He was a former season ticket holder during the Coach L years that lost interest under Hewitt. Not a huge thing, but still nice to see him complimenting them. By the end of the game the team was just gassed. Double OT with essentially 6 players for the final 10 minutes is tough.
 

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We are a better and more complete team when Otis doesn't feel the need to put everybody on his shoulders. Part of that is obviously due to needing him to score, and part of that is Otis feeling like he has to do too much (classic Catch 22). I counted at least three possessions yesterday when our entire offensive possession was Otis dribbling in and out of defenders at the top of the key and then taking some sort of fade-away or pull-up jumper. No other Mason player touched the ball.

I believe he did make one of those shots, but it makes us a much easier team to guard when the entire focus becomes about stopping one player (and we saw how that turned out against GW). The more we can move the ball on offense and get the other players involved, the harder we become to defend. If a team wants to focus on Otis like teams used to do against Curry at Davidson, then guys like Grayer, Kier, Mar, Boyd and Greene need to be aggressive and attack the basket.

It is unfair to put the burden on Otis — who has been sensational this season — but he needs to learn to trust his teammates more if we are going to improve this season and especially next year. Although we might not be a better scoring team when he is on the bench, it is pretty cool to see how efficient our ball rotation is and how much more engaged everybody is (as opposed to standing around and watching him dribble). More and more, I think Otis will realize how to turn teams game-planning against him into an advantage.
 
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Otis's other weakness is he's a pretty mediocre defender on the perimeter, especially fighting through screens, and that screws up the entire defensive plan when he has to be bailed out a lot after he lets his guy get past him. Javon Greene looks to be a more tenacious defender right now to me (slightly longer, more active with his hands, fights harder to stay in front of his man). I don't know how much of that has to do with Otis expending so much energy on the offensive side of the ball and that's hurting his defensive intensity.

It didn't help that Grayer had an epically bad night shooting, especially in the first half.
 

FreeGunston12

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Otis's other weakness is he's a pretty mediocre defender on the perimeter, especially fighting through screens, and that screws up the entire defensive plan when he has to be bailed out a lot after he lets his guy get past him. Javon Greene looks to be a more tenacious defender right now to me (slightly longer, more active with his hands, fights harder to stay in front of his man). I don't know how much of that has to do with Otis expending so much energy on the offensive side of the ball and that's hurting his defensive intensity.

It didn't help that Grayer had an epically bad night shooting, especially in the first half.
I think a lot of it has to do with his height. He can't sag and help off his defender and still recover to challenge a shot. If he is not right on his man's hip, then he generally is not going to bother a perimeter look.
 

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I'm getting tired of giving credit to the guys for not giving up and showing grit. Two years ago and even last year, ok. Maybe don't play like a$$ and get down by 15 early every once in a while? Starting games like that seems to be our hallmark these days. And its not like we are clearly over matched.

The guys we are relying on have played close to 6o college games in their career. However- Otis played better than he did on Wed night at GW, but in the first half, he in bounds the ball after a made 3 by Duquesne. Essentially handed the ball to the defender for a steal and easy layup. This from a guy who logs 35+ minutes a game for 2 1/2 years. I'm picking on Otis for this play and thats probably unfair, but we do lack focus a lot; this is just an example that comes to mind.

I dont know what the solution is to not giving up wide open 3s, or un-contested lay ups and dumb turnovers (probably just need better players). I am frustrated that I have come to the realization that we just are not good enough to overcome any mistakes
 

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Nothing to add that already hasn't been said already. I was able to attend this one and Duquesne sells beer at their games. It made the late comeback a little more enjoyable and dulled the pain of a tough loss. OK - I guess I added a little.
 

GMUSig03

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I'm getting tired of giving credit to the guys for not giving up and showing grit. Two years ago and even last year, ok. Maybe don't play like a$$ and get down by 15 early every once in a while? Starting games like that seems to be our hallmark these days. And its not like we are clearly over matched.

The guys we are relying on have played close to 6o college games in their career. However- Otis played better than he did on Wed night at GW, but in the first half, he in bounds the ball after a made 3 by Duquesne. Essentially handed the ball to the defender for a steal and easy layup. This from a guy who logs 35+ minutes a game for 2 1/2 years. I'm picking on Otis for this play and thats probably unfair, but we do lack focus a lot; this is just an example that comes to mind.

I dont know what the solution is to not giving up wide open 3s, or un-contested lay ups and dumb turnovers (probably just need better players). I am frustrated that I have come to the realization that we just are not good enough to overcome any mistakes

I'm with you. I don't understand it either. As much as there is to say "at least we showed fight, and don't give up, etc." - there is even more "why the f**k can't we be ready to start the game? why can't we play defense? etc"

The #1 thought I had after the Duquesne game was that Otis and Jaire need to take it upon themselves to make sure the team is ready to play at the opening tip, and they need to do it by leading by example. Hustle, effort, intensity - it's not about skill (for this issue).
 

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