Game 14: AT Saint Joseph's University, Thursday, January 3rd, 7:30 PM, CBSSN

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https://gomason.com/news/2019/1/3/m...-past-saint-josephs-85-60-in-a-10-opener.aspx

Mason made 15-of-28 3-pointers (.536) – that's just one off the school record (16) set in 1995 (against Troy).

"That was a phenomenal team effort. I'm really proud of our guys," head coach Dave Paulsen said. "They struggled shooting the ball in the first half, but we emphasized to keep pounding the rock and to keep fighting and defending. Our defense was great all game and it was fun to see the ball finally go in. This team has worked so hard both in practice and outside of practice and it's so nice to see it pay off."
 

MASONscott

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GIVING DAY 2023
I still don’t think having kier and green on the court at the same time always helps us. I’ve said there’s no point to play them at the same time until one of them starts hitting shots because defenses can just sag on us and double Otis. Kier finding the 3 ball is the big difference at this point and makes the tandem work better. As we saw tonight, even though green didn’t light it up on offense, Kier being an inside and outside threat allows Green to be on the court defensively and contribute where he can on offense and also frees up Otis.

However when the 3s aren’t falling for both of them and because driving is each of their strengths, you’ll notice that the offense can get stagnant and they occasionally run into each other trying to make similar moves. That’s when I’d like to see Boyd or another sub for one of them.

If javon can also find his shot (it looks like he’s not getting enough arc) then I’d have no of problem with it. Javon is a good defender which is why he’s getting playing time and as long as Kier is a threat from 3 there’ll be less issues with them playing at the same time.

Also, I thought that Dave used his subs better in the second half (more what I thought we’d be doing all year once we saw that Reuter is a non factor) and rotated javon and kier on and off at different times.

Probably the most underrated thing from this evening is how they went after rebounds. This also goes for Boyd and Mar. Reminded me of how marquise and grayer started having little rebounding competitions.

If they could play like this regularly Javon and Kier plus our wings Boyd and Mar could be reoccurring figures in other teams nightmares. It’s quite an athletic and high potential quartet. And as someone mentioned we are only losing Otis and that may be a non factor if this core lives up to potential. Oh and dare I say watch out if AJ starts playing under control and in position consistently.

Alas, it’s only one game. They haven’t done it consistently and we’ve all seen the flashes followed by regression. BUT it’s nice to dream about it and these types of wins have been hard to come by the last few years. So I’ll savor it. Jury is still out on the rest, we have to wait and see.


Agree with your assessment that there can be a downside of a Greene/Kier duo on the court when 3s aren't falling.

However, they aren’t the same player. One is left handed and one is right handed. Both do have the dribble drive slashing mentality, but I can understand why Paulsen might prefer that from two sides after Marquise Moore put this team on his back in so many games. How many teams sagged on defense on Moore?


Give me a couple dynamic guards that can get to the lane, drive and score, drive and dish, and at least last night splash the 3, and it creates so much more for everyone else. It certainly helps free Otis, Boyd, Mar when two or three defenders are crashing the lane or like last night frees our front court ala Calixite.

That is just the offensive side of the ball. Defensively, the duos recent play recently speaks for itself as they are bringing intensity and playmaking.

So, while I agree there can be a downside to playing both at the same time it is outweighed by a much higher ceiling upside.
 

Copes4Three

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This was pretty spot on. Except they outdid it for you. Clap clap clap


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Thank you. I know someone who went to St. Joes who always raves about Charlie Brown. It was nice to see Greene strip the ball from him multiple times. I thought Retuer would do what Calixte did last night. I think Calixte needs to be put in the starting lineup, he provides better rim protection. Then we can have retuer off the bench with AJ at the 4 to help with rim protection. Boyd's shooting has improved every year. The true test is how they will respond against the bonnies, will they continue to play well or will they be too cocky?
 

GMUgemini

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Thank you. I know someone who went to St. Joes who always raves about Charlie Brown. It was nice to see Greene strip the ball from him multiple times. I thought Retuer would do what Calixte did last night. I think Calixte needs to be put in the starting lineup, he provides better rim protection. Then we can have retuer off the bench with AJ at the 4 to help with rim protection. Boyd's shooting has improved every year. The true test is how they will respond against the bonnies, will they continue to play well or will they be too cocky?

I feel like this team was humbled at the beginning of the year in those first three games and won’t get overly confident or take anyone lightly — I mean if this team can lose to American they can lose to anyone if they aren’t battling.
 

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I still don’t think having kier and green on the court at the same time always helps us. I’ve said there’s no point to play them at the same time until one of them starts hitting shots because defenses can just sag on us and double Otis. Kier finding the 3 ball is the big difference at this point and makes the tandem work better. As we saw tonight, even though green didn’t light it up on offense, Kier being an inside and outside threat allows Green to be on the court defensively and contribute where he can on offense and also frees up Otis.

However when the 3s aren’t falling for both of them and because driving is each of their strengths, you’ll notice that the offense can get stagnant and they occasionally run into each other trying to make similar moves. That’s when I’d like to see Boyd or another sub for one of them.

If javon can also find his shot (it looks like he’s not getting enough arc) then I’d have no of problem with it. Javon is a good defender which is why he’s getting playing time and as long as Kier is a threat from 3 there’ll be less issues with them playing at the same time.

Also, I thought that Dave used his subs better in the second half (more what I thought we’d be doing all year once we saw that Reuter is a non factor) and rotated javon and kier on and off at different times.

Probably the most underrated thing from this evening is how they went after rebounds. This also goes for Boyd and Mar. Reminded me of how marquise and grayer started having little rebounding competitions.

If they could play like this regularly Javon and Kier plus our wings Boyd and Mar could be reoccurring figures in other teams nightmares. It’s quite an athletic and high potential quartet. And as someone mentioned we are only losing Otis and that may be a non factor if this core lives up to potential. Oh and dare I say watch out if AJ starts playing under control and in position consistently.

Alas, it’s only one game. They haven’t done it consistently and we’ve all seen the flashes followed by regression. BUT it’s nice to dream about it and these types of wins have been hard to come by the last few years. So I’ll savor it. Jury is still out on the rest, we have to wait and see.

Greene is the best defender on the team. Why would you put your best defender in a rotation that get’s you fewer potential minutes? He is also a great rebounder and is figuring it all out. He locked down Brown and Brown pouted all night.
 
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Leesburg Chankenstank III

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Green is the best defender on the team. Why would you put your best defender in a rotation that get’s you fewer potential minutes? He is also a great rebounder and is figuring it all out. He locked down Brown and Brown pouted all night.

Greene is only 6-2 but watching him, it feels as if he has the arm length of a 6-7 guy. And he knows how to position himself, especially off the ball to strip or steal. He has turned out to be a fantastic defender which I never saw coming.
 
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TweederGMU

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Blowout city! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Kier starting to believe and take over games! Otis and Kier are the guys we need leading and taking over games and putting the team on their backs.

Love this feeling. Suck it St. Joe's
 

Mason2005

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GIVING DAY 2023
Kier playing like a superhero, even the broadcasters knew it yesterday.

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GMUgemini

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That makes no sense. A 15 seed would not go to an A10 team unless it was an upset win by a very bad team in the conference tournament. Lunardi does not project those.

It’s because whoever is in first gets the auto-bid and that’s us and our NET is like 180’right now (not good). IF we win the tournament, our numbers will look a better and there’s now way we’d be on the 15 seed line
 

masonjoe

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It’s because whoever is in first gets the auto-bid and that’s us and our NET is like 180’right now (not good). IF we win the tournament, our numbers will look a better and there’s now way we’d be on the 15 seed line

There's a good chance this year that the A-1o autobid is a 12-14 seed
 

tblack33

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Not to be a nay sayer but this win this a lot less impressive after just watching GW, a team who I think will compete for last place in the A10, completely dismantle St Joes in the second half
 
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