Countdown to Hewitt's Next Longevity Bonus

[99 Patriot]

Again, I just see it as basically part of his salary. There are performance bonuses, which he certainly won't achieve, but one that provides him money for making it to almost the end of the season, seems to me like a way to bump his salary w/o it reflecting in his base salary (bonuses don't have same taxes taken out by employer, etc.) Good for him negotiating it that way and possibly good for Mason saving a few bucks by giving money as a bonus versus base pay.

Like Gemini I guess I'm just tired of everyone here constantly threatening action with their wallets. Some say if PH isn't fired they're going to stop giving/going, now some say if he's not fired before 3/1 they're going to stop giving even if he is canned. I'm sure some are already preparing to justify holding back a contribution because we didn't hire the "right" person.

 

[Walter]

Within reason, I am going to give the new head coach a chance. Now, if Buzz Peterson walks through that door then all bets are off.

 

[gmujim92]

Again, I just see it as basically part of his salary. There are performance bonuses, which he certainly won't achieve, but one that provides him money for making it to almost the end of the season, seems to me like a way to bump his salary w/o it reflecting in his base salary (bonuses don't have same taxes taken out by employer, etc.) Good for him negotiating it that way and possibly good for Mason saving a few bucks by giving money as a bonus versus base pay.

Like Gemini I guess I'm just tired of everyone here constantly threatening action with their wallets. Some say if PH isn't fired they're going to stop giving/going, now some say if he's not fired before 3/1 they're going to stop giving even if he is canned. I'm sure some are already preparing to justify holding back a contribution because we didn't hire the "right" person.

Just wondering, who died and made you judge of how others spend their money?

 

[GSII]

Didn't we have several coaches "resign" since Big Balls Brad took over? I think some are discounting this like Hewitt discounts game prep.

 

[Walter]

Didn't we have several coaches "resign" since Big Bald Brad took over? I think some are discounting this like Hewitt discounts game prep.

We call him Big Balls Brad until he disappoints us. Then we will go with your name.

 

[99 Patriot]

Just wondering, who died and made you judge of how others spend their money?

Really don't care or have interest how anyone spends their money, but wish people would quit being like the old man with the fishing rod in the State Farm commercial.

 

[wijg]

Again, I just see it as basically part of his salary. There are performance bonuses, which he certainly won't achieve, but one that provides him money for making it to almost the end of the season, seems to me like a way to bump his salary

What has he done this year to deserve a bump?

w/o it reflecting in his base salary (bonuses don't have same taxes taken out by employer, etc.) Good for him negotiating it that way and possibly good for Mason saving a few bucks by giving money as a bonus versus base pay.

Not to divert from the topic at hand, but the final tax implications are the same for bonuses and base pay. Your employer might fool you into thinking you got more by not deducting taxes out of a bonus, but you have to pay the tax man the same regardless...

Like Gemini I guess I'm just tired of everyone here constantly threatening action with their wallets. Some say if PH isn't fired they're going to stop giving/going, now some say if he's not fired before 3/1 they're going to stop giving even if he is canned.

I am tired of the do nothing crowd. I am tired of being told no matter what bad decisions Mason makes, you have to give the same amount, show up to every game, not boo, not wear #firepaulhewitt shirts, etc. If there were more people willing to do something, we might not have had Hewitt this year. If we had more people willing to pull donations and stop coming to games, we could rest assured that he was not coming back next year. I am tired of the Mason AD making bad financial decisions, being told they don't need any more money to run a successful basketball program, and in the same breath being told to open my wallet for them to keep taking from it.

I'm sure some are already preparing to justify holding back a contribution because we didn't hire the "right" person.

Hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[disgruntled]

No. I just don't agree with wijg's strategy of deciding to pull his donation if Hewitt makes it past March 1. You would agree that Edwards might know what he's doing a little more than you or I or Wijg, yes?

Why would you agree that he knows more? I don't see Jacksonville making a run in anything on the national level. Mason is a step up for BE ...just as Mason is for Cabrera too (Thunderbird is prestigious but Mason is on a whole new level for him). So i say let the market prevail! if you don't like what's happening don't support it. I have yet to hear anyone utter anything that leads me to believe things will change at the end of the year.

 

[PoorManProfit]

That is similar to Gemini's argument. Yet, Gemini does not agree with my strategy of pulling my donation. If it doesn't move the needle, then my donation certainly won't either, so they don't need it, which goes back to my original premise.

Mason does not get my donations as a matter of course. They have to show that they are worthy of receiving my hard earned money. If they operate in a manner that I find to be fiscally irresponsible, then some other organization that I feel is more responsible will get it.

If you like to give money to an organization that throws away hard to come by cash, that is your prerogative. I would just like you to consider throwing some of it to the wijg foundation if you are fine with with it being thrown away. I am confident that I can throw it away with the best of them.

I totally support anyone that doesn't give $ to the on-going shit show!

 

[GMUgemini]

Why would you agree that he knows more? I don't see Jacksonville making a run in anything on the national level. Mason is a step up for BE ...just as Mason is for Cabrera too (Thunderbird is prestigious but Mason is on a whole new level for him). So i say let the market prevail! if you don't like what's happening don't support it. I have yet to hear anyone utter anything that leads me to believe things will change at the end of the year.

Maybe not, but he increased donations at Jacksonville by 75 percent during his tenure and secured funding for several major projects, including a football stadium. That says something.

 

[wijg]

Maybe not, but he increased donations at Jacksonville by 75 percent during his tenure and secured funding for several major projects, including a football stadium. That says something.

Based on your previous posts, we do not need to spend any more money for the team to be good. So, using your criteria, the fundraising shouldn't matter and the primary yardstick of BE should be his handling of the Hewitt situation, and the hiring of the next coach.

 

[GMUgemini]

Based on your previous posts, we do not need to spend any more money for the team to be good. So, using your criteria, the fundraising shouldn't matter and the primary yardstick of BE should be his handling of the Hewitt situation, and the hiring of the next coach.

If Edwards were a general manager of the basketball team this statement might make sense.

 

[wijg]

If Edwards were a general manager of the basketball team this statement might make sense.

He essentially is, in addition to other things, and that is his most import task as implied by our AD mission statement... But you have skirted the issue.

First you post that we don't need to spend more money to make basketball better (but wasting more helps in some way), and then you post how BE is going to raise funds to buy stuff, which one would presume is to improve our sports programs, basketball being the one our AD focuses on.

I'd be interested how your logic seems to explain the apparent contradiction

 

[GSII]

If you suck at winning, you gotta be great at fundraising. Id rather win so the money is easier to raise. This hire is monumental on many levels.

 

[GSII]

I am opposed to building anything without a proven coach and strong bball program in place. Mason missed their chance to build, literally and figuratively, after you know who left. Building a ship with no captain is stupid. Hopefully, we get a great person to lead the program, and the new "stuff" can coincide with our ressurection.

 

[wijg]

I am opposed to building anything without a proven coach and strong bball program in place. Mason missed their chance to build, literally and figuratively, after you know who left. Building a ship with no captain is stupid. Hopefully, we get a great person to lead the program, and the new "stuff" can coincide with our ressurection.

I am in agreement, though it takes so long to build new things, it would be nice to have the new toys in the works as the new coach is, hopefully, proving himself.

 

[Walter]

There are plenty of Power 5 schools with awesome buildings but have been unable to hire a good coach. Unfortunately, it is easier to build a practice facility than hire the next Jim Larranaga or Shaka Smart. We have at best a 25% chance of hiring a guy that will bring championships here. But the good news is we have a 90% chance of hiring a better coach than the one we have now.

 

[Vurbel]

Mason missed their chance to build, literally and figuratively, after you know who left.

I know we've discussed this ad nausium, but there is a difference between a coach leaving and a coach not being kept.

 

[Vurbel]

There are plenty of Power 5 schools with awesome buildings but have been unable to hire a good coach. Unfortunately, it is easier to build a practice facility than hire the next Jim Larranaga or Shaka Smart. We have at best a 25% chance of hiring a guy that will bring championships here. But the good news is we have a 90% chance of hiring a better coach than the one we have now.

Only 90%?

 

[GSII]

I know we've discussed this ad nausium, but there is a difference between a coach leaving and a coach not being kept.

He was here long enough to start building upon his success. It's well documented, promises made, were broken, and the school went cheap on him and his assistants etc. We had a great chance to grow something special is all I was saying.