Tony Bennett and Dave Paulsen

gmujim92

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After watching UVa beat Miami last night, it occurred to me that Tony Bennett just might be the ideal model for what Dave Paulsen is trying to accomplish at Mason.

Not only do they run similar systems -- clog the lane on D, slow tempo and patient O -- but they both value skill over raw athleticism and recruit complete student-athletes who will do the job on the court and in the classroom. No shortcuts being taken to accelerate the rebuilding process.

So I thought it might be instructive for some of our less-patient posters to look at how long it has taken Bennett to get UVa to where it is today.

The year before he took over, UVa went 10-18 overall and 4-12 in the ACC.

They had a sub-.500 season in his first year, finished 16-15 in year 2 and had double-digit losses in years 3 and 4, as well.

UVa didn't really break out until 2013-14, Bennett's 5th year, when it went 30-7 and 16-2 in the ACC.

They're obviously rolling now, pulling in top-50 talent and regularly selling out a 15,000-seat arena.

But I think everyone would agree that our program was in even worse shape following 4 years of Hewitt than UVa was when Bennett took over there.

It basically took Bennett 4 full recruiting classes to build a roster with guys capable of playing the way he wants to play and competing at the top of a very tough conference.

Given how far Mason has to go, and how many A-10 teams we have to pass to get there, a similar timetable is not at all unreasonable for Paulsen.

If we're not at least in the conversation for an NCAA bid by year 4 and in the tournament by year 5, I will be very surprised.
 
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psyclone

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After watching UVa beat Miami last night, it occurred to me that Tony Bennett just might be the ideal model for what Dave Paulsen is trying to accomplish at Mason.

Not only do they run similar systems -- clog the lane on D, slow tempo and patient O -- but they both value skill over raw athleticism and recruit complete student-athletes who will do the job on the court and in the classroom. No shortcuts being taken to accelerate the rebuilding process.

So I thought it might be instructive for some of our less-patient posters to look at how long it has taken Bennett to get UVa to where it is today.

The year before he took over, UVa went 10-18 overall and 4-12 in the ACC.

They had a sub-.500 season in his first year, finished 16-15 in year 2 and had double-digit losses in years 3 and 4, as well.

UVa didn't really break out until 2013-14, Bennett's 5th year, when it went 30-7 and 16-2 in the ACC.

They're obviously rolling now, pulling in top-50 talent and regularly selling out a 15,000-seat arena.

But I think everyone would agree that our program was in even worse shape following 4 years of Hewitt than UVa was when Bennett took over there.

It basically took Bennett 4 full recruiting classes to build a roster with guys capable of playing the way he wants to play and competing at the top of a very tough conference.

Given how far Mason has to go, and how many A-10 teams we have to pass to get there, a similar timetable is not at all unreasonable for Paulsen.

If we're not at least in the conversation for an NCAA bid by year 4 and in the tournament by year 5, I will be very surprised.

That's a useful comparison of the rebuilding process that you present. There's an interesting Feinstein column in today's post on Bennett and the current UVa team, which I noticed was highly ranked on KenPom on both Offensive (9th) and Defensive (4th) efficiency. Should be a good game today against UNC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...5e23e4-e7c5-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html
 

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Love the Bennett. Forced 16 turnovers last night and crushed The OCM to the point he was giving props to Bennett in the handshake line. First time ive seen OCM bow down to another coach. However, I do not beleive DP's system implementaion is going to take as long. His defense is nowhere near as diverse as Bennetts. Never has been. DP's defense at Bucknell/Mason is more like tom izzo's. Ranked very close too.
 

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It took Turgeon some time as well to get UMd on a competitive track.. It took him at least two full seasons of weeding out Gary William's thugs, most of whom transferred immediately or toxified the court/locker room and then transferred. Then Turgeon had to recruit his guys. Now that HIS players have some seasoning, UMd (I hate myself for saying this) is pretty good. Same will happen for us—give it time and patience.
 
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gmujim92

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Love the Bennett. Forced 16 turnovers last night and crushed The OCM to the point he was giving props to Bennett in the handshake line. First time ive seen OCM bow down to another coach. However, I do not beleive DP's system implementaion is going to take as long. His defense is nowhere near as diverse as Bennetts. Never has been. DP's defense at Bucknell/Mason is more like tom izzo's. Ranked very close too.

Q: What is diverse about the Pack-Line defense?

A: Nothing.

UVa doesn't press, rarely traps and mostly relies on shutting down penetration with bigs versatile enough to hedge hard on ball screens and recover to guard the paint.

They also have length on the perimeter to contest shots without having to gamble and get out of position.

They're basically impossible to score on when they're locked in on D.

But my original point was, it took Bennett time to recruit a team capable of defending like that. They weren't very good at all his first 2-3 seasons as he got "his guys" into the program.
 

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Pack Line is different than man to man. For example, Pack line doesn't give help D. There are other differences but your point is if we give Paulsen 5 years he will find guys to play his tough man to man defense. Unless Paulsen is implementing Pack LIne Defense, then that is total bullshit. I can't believe a coach like Paulsen will need that long to be in the top 4 or 5 of this conference. I do have doubts about his defense b/c it does nothing to put pressure on teams, unlike Pack Line. In this leauge, like the ACC, you have to disrupt the guards, like Pack Line does for UVa. Btw, lets see where UVa is the next 2 years after they graduate this group. Reloading? I think not.
 

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Pack Line is different than man to man. For example, Pack line doesn't give help D. There are other differences but your point is if we give Paulsen 5 years he will find guys to play his tough man to man defense. Unless Paulsen is implementing Pack LIne Defense, then that is total bullshit. I can't believe a coach like Paulsen will need that long to be in the top 4 or 5 of this conference. I do have doubts about his defense b/c it does nothing to put pressure on teams, unlike Pack Line. In this leauge, like the ACC, you have to disrupt the guards, like Pack Line does for UVa. Btw, lets see where UVa is the next 2 years after they graduate this group. Reloading? I think not.


UVA has one of the best recruiting classes in the nation coming in next season with 4 top 100 players....sounds like reloading to me?!
 

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UVA has one of the best recruiting classes in the nation coming in next season with 4 top 100 players....sounds like reloading to me?!
Not to mention a superior coach...That team isn't going anywhere....If Paulsen is a poor man's Bennett, we're in very good shape.
 

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I watched the UVa - UNC game and even though they lost, I was very impressed on how UVa switched on ball screens yet recovered quickly in switching again out of bad matchups. Rarely got burned.
 

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I was impressed with Uva's double teaming of the post. The rotations into and back were smooth and effective......
Bennett's system takes time to learn regardless how many stars are next to your name. They are still freshman.

Paulsen is not a poor mans Bennett, I wish he were. At Buknell doubling the post was a gamble that DP wouldn't take. Thats what annoys me about his defensive style. No wrinkles to the base defense. Its like buying a base model car and leaving out the a/c bc the windows go down.
 
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