Game Tread: Mason (12-4 / 1-2) vs GW (6-10 / 0-3), Wednesday, Jan 15, 7PM

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GW is not good at all. Their 4 man shot 15 threes last game vs Duquesne and carried them. Jameer Nelson jr is a turnover machine that tries to make passes that aren’t there. I would take parr over Oduro since our insiders said paulsen had a choice and could have had either (I doubt that but who am I but a mere mortal). I hope we win. Mason by 7
 

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While GW is 0-3 in the A10, they could be 3-0.
It has been a play or two in the final minutes that have cost them each game.
 

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GW vs Mason Thread
Next up George Mason.

Mason is 12-4 and has a KenPom of 144.
 

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Kenpom has us as a 2 pt favorite.

GW has lost each A10 game against pretty good teams by 5 pts (Bonnies and Duquesne at home; SLU on the road).
 

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When we won against La Salle, I had more of a feeling of relief than I did of excitement. This game will be the same if we win.

Win = We’re supposed to win
Lose = Nuclear meltdown on the boards
 

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Today 7:48 pm
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"George Mason Patriots

Date/Time: Wednesday January 15th @ 7:00 PM at The Charles E. Smith Center in Washington DC.
Record Last Year: 18-15, 11-7 (5th in Atlantic 10)
Preseason Ranks: 155th (KenPom), 147th (Bart Torvik), 151st (Sports Illustrated), 123rd (CBS)
Projected Record: 18-13, 7-11 (T-9th in Atlantic 10)
Postseason Last Year: None.

Coaching Record: Dave Paulsen, 65-67 in 4 seasons at George Mason, with a single CBI appearance. Previously went 134-94 in 7 seasons at Bucknell with a couple NCAA appearances and a couple NIT appearances.

All Time Record: 18-6, although GMU is on a current four game win streak. We had won the previous nine A10 contests against them before that. Before February 2018, Mason had not won a single A10 game against us. Let's get back to those winning ways! In last year's matchup in Foggy Bottom, we fell 81-65. Juice led the way with 18 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 steals off the bench, the start of his strong finish at the end of last season. Does anyone know his status injury-wise? Armel (14 points, 4 rebounds) and Maceo (13 points, 2 assists) also finished in double figures, although Jack went 0-7 from deep. Going back to being to Maceo being productive, this is proof that he can still put up points even when not on from three. We'll need both guys to play well to win this game.

Offensive Efficiency: 177th (KenPom), 179th (Bart Torvik)
Defensive Efficiency: 130th (KenPom), 142nd (Bart Torvik)
Tempo: 274th (KenPom), 275th (Bart Torvik). Almost the exact same pace as us.

Key Returning Players:
Justin Kier (SR; Spotswood, VA) 14.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.6 spg; 47% FG, 37% 3-pt, 77% FT
Last year @ GW: 13 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists, 3 steals; 4-12 FG, 1-2 3-pt, 4-4 FT in 38 minutes.

Jordan Miller (SO; Purcellville, VA) 10.4 ppg, 7.1 rpg; 61% FG, 33% 3-pt, 62% FT
Last year @ GW: 17 points, 9 rebounds; 6-6 FG, 1-1 3-pt, 4-4 FT in 34 minutes.

Javon Greene (JR; McDonough, GA) 9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg; 45% FG, 31% 3-pt, 91% FT
Last year @ GW: 13 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists; 5-7 FG, 3-5 3-pt in 36 minutes.

Key Losses:
Otis Livingston II (Graduated; Linden, NJ) 12.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4 apg; 39% FG, 32% 3-pt, 87% FT
Jaire Grayer (Transferred to TCU; Flint, MI) 8.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg; 41% FG, 41% 3-pt, 65% FT
Jarred Reuter (Left Early for Pro Career; Marion, MA) 7.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.5 apg; 47% FG, 67% FT

Comments:
George Mason entered the beginning of last year with high expectations. There were even outlets that pegged them to finish at the very top of the conference. Unfortunately, things got off to a disastrous start, with the Patriots starting 0-3 with losses to Penn, American (thankfully we're not alone!), and Georgia Southern, and they barely squeaked by Southern to notch their first win of the season. They eventually settled in during conference season, beginning 7-1, but ultimately just didn't have enough to advance to the postseason.

Fast forward to this year - their steady PG Livingston graduated finally after a nice career in Fairfax, but most of their key guys have returned. Maybe it's the lower expectations, but overall the Patriots have performed better this season than last (although KenPom considers them to be the luckiest team in the country). Livingston was always somewhat of a volume rather than efficient shooter, and Reuter was one of the least athletic bigs I've seen in some time so maybe those things played a part in their improvement.

Things haven't been easy for GMU though. At the start of the year, the Patriots learned that they were going to be down two guys early on with senior Ian Boyd missing the entire year with a wrist injury (a loss for them, given his clutch shot making from sophomore year) and their new leader Justin Kier expected to miss a handful of games due to a stress fracture. Fortunately for them, they were able to survive without Kier's services. With Kier and the rest of the J-Crew healthy (junior Javon Greene, and sophomores Jordan Miller and Jamal Hartwell II) the Patriots have a nice four-headed monster in the backcourt that will make it tough to key in on any one guy. Kier hasn't put up quite the same numbers as last year, but remains very efficient shooting the ball - 46% from deep, and 85% from the line. Greene hasn't been very efficient shooting the ball so far this year (although he leads the team in made threes with 33), but impacts the game in other ways - he is second on the team in rebounding (6.1 rpg) which is impressive for a 6'2" guy, and also paces the team in assists per game (2.8), many times responsible for setting up the offense. Miller, who was expected to originally redshirt last year, was a revelation for GMU, and played a big part in Mason's turnaround during conference play last year. He currently leads the team in scoring (13.1 ppg) and is also a decent rebounder (4.4 rpg). Although he is not shooting the ridiculous 61% from the field as last year, he's still great at 50%, and has knocked down 47% of his shots from deep. Hartwell, who went from Fairfax HS in Los Angeles to Fairfax, VA, is more of a volume shooter (just 29% from the land of plenty), but is second on the team in made threes with 27. He also provides value as a lead or secondary facilitator on the floor depending on who is on the floor for Mason. All these guys are solid free throw shooters. If we can limit these guys, especially from deep, we will have a good chance at notching our first win in conference season. Freshman Xavier Johnson should not be forgotten though. Johnson has averaged nice numbers in his first year - 6.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 2.3 apg (second on team), shooting 44% from the floor and 80% from the line. He hasn't quite developed from deep yet, but Johnson will see quite a bit of floor time in the contest (he's averaged roughly 25 minutes a game this year) as a secondary playmaker.

That's not to say that GMU doesn't have a presence down low - that's pretty much a must in the A10. Anthony 'A.J.' Wilson Jr. has finally found a way to get on the floor, after a couple years with no impact. Wilson always had the tools to be a good A10 player in the post, but that potential was finally realized in his junior year. Wilson averages 10.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg (leads team), and a great 3.6 blocks per game so things may still be tough at the rim yet again Wednesday night. Although I don't know if he's still on the same tier as Osunniyi, French, or Hughes, Wilson is probably a bit more explosive than all of them. He is just a 58% free throw shooter, so if we can't successfully double him, maybe we should consider hacking him. His backup will be freshman and local Fairfax/Paul VI product Josh Oduro. Oduro won't see more than 15 minutes, but can chip in with some situational points and rebounding. Minnesotan Goanar Mar (he went to Jamison's HS DeLaSalle) is back this season after missing half of last year with a foot fracture. It is apparent Mar is still somewhat working his way back as he hasn't been very efficient from the floor on the year. Should the Patriots frontcourt get in any foul trouble, we may also see junior Greg Calixte as well for a few minutes here and there. Calixte is pretty good near the hoop and can pull down some boards, but he operates exclusively in the paint.

This is definitely a winnable game, but the key will be going back to running guys off the three point line. If Wilson hurts us repeatedly inside, maybe we look to return to double teaming in the post, but I don't want Mason to get the kinds of open looks Duquesne's guards had last Saturday. Mason is decent defensively, but not on the same level as St. Louis or Duquesne, so we shouldn't have difficulty putting up 65+ points, absent a really bad shooting night (and if that's happening from deep, I hope we change things up).

Predicted Score: Mason 66, Washington 64. 43% chance to win (Bart Torvik). ESPN gives us a 43.5% chance to win. Game could definitely go either way."
 

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"LAST TIME OUT: Trailing 32-24 with 1:11 remaining in the first half, first-year Jamison Battle scored the next eight points, including a buzzer-beater from the corner to knot the score up at 32-32 heading into the break. GW led 61-60 with 2:27 left before Sincere Carry hit a three-pointer to give the Dukes the lead in a 66-61 win on Saturday. Battle finished with a game-high 20 points and 10 rebounds for the Colonials.

SCOUTING GEORGE MASON: The Patriots will cross the Potomac River on Wednesday after defeating La Salle, 76-63, on the road Saturday. The win snapped a three-game losing streak and secured Mason's first A-10 win of the season.

The Patriots started the season winning 11 of their first 12 games, including the Cayman Islands Classic with wins over Old Dominion, Nebraska and New Mexico State.

Jordan Miller leads the Patriots in points (13.1) and three-point shooting percentage (46.7). Javon Greene is second in scoring (12.5 ppg), rebounding (6.1 rpg) and first in assists per game (2.8) and steals (1.8). AJ Wilson has three double-doubles this year and sits third in team scoring (10.8 ppg), while leading the squad in rebounds per contest (8.1).

SERIES HISTORY: GW leads the all-time season series, 19-6, despite dropping all three games last season to the Patriots. GW is 14-1 all-time against Mason in D.C.

CLIMBING THE WEEKLY LADDER: First-year Jamison Battle claimed his second A-10 Rookie of the Week award after finishing last week with double-double figures (19.0 ppg and 10.0 rpg) in games at Saint Louis and vs. Duquesne. Battle finished the week shooting 43.5 percent from the field and 42.9 percent from three-point range. His 20-point performance against the Dukes tied his season-best that Battle set in the previous home game against St. Bonaventure.

HE'S A 10: Battle leads the Atlantic 10 in conference-only scoring this year at 19.3 points per game. He also leads the conference in made three-point field goals per game (4.0) and sits tied for the lead with Duquesne's Tavian Dunn-Martin with 12 total made three-pointers. Battle is also second in the A-10 with a 93.3 free throw percentage in league play. Overall, Battle is 19th in the league in scoring (12.5) and 10th in three-point shooting percentage (40.2).

NELSON'S BATTLE: A fellow first-year with Battle, Jameer Nelson Jr. also scored in double figures in both games last week with 10 points at Saint Louis and 14 points at home against Duquesne."
 

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It's disappointing our game isn't being picked up by MASN or NBCSN Washington, but I guess the good news is it is being carried by ESPN+.
 

Pablo

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It's disappointing our game isn't being picked up by MASN or NBCSN Washington, but I guess the good news is it is being carried by ESPN+.

This in another reason why there should be a Metro Big 4 (Maryland, Georgetown, GW, & Mason) competing against each other every year similar to the Philadelphia Big 5.
 

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Today 12:31 pm#4
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Re: GW vs Mason Thread
Despite the 0-3 start in conference play, I've been encouraged by GW's effort against 3 upper-tier(for the moment, I still have some doubts about St.Louis, and Duquesne to a lesser extent) conference teams that create glaring frontcourt matchup problems for GW. GW now hits a stretch of "winnable" games starting with George Mason tomorrow, followed by: @UMass, @Fordham and vs St.Joe's. George Mason is better than UMass, Fordham and St.Joe's, but I don't believe they present the matchup problems or have the talent level of the upper-tier A10 teams. AJ Wilson is very athletic and is an elite shot blocker as DMVPiranha pointed out, but he's not physically imposing like Osun, Hughes and French!! Whenever those 3 guys got the ball in the paint against GW, it felt as if GW had no chance of stopping them at any point.
 

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GW is not good at all. Their 4 man shot 15 threes last game vs Duquesne and carried them. Jameer Nelson jr is a turnover machine that tries to make passes that aren’t there. I would take parr over Oduro since our insiders said paulsen had a choice and could have had either (I doubt that but who am I but a mere mortal). I hope we win. Mason by 7


You realize that GW could be the sleeperpick of tomorrow night?? bada-bump and cha ching!
 
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This SHOULD be a win. It SHOULD be a 10+ point win as GW isn't really that good as other's stated above. However, this team has been helter skelter the past 4 games, playing good and then playing horrible then playing good again. I expect the usual tonight -- slow start, down by 3-5 at the half, then play better in the 2nd half and win by 8
 

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Interesting thread on GW's board about an article on transfers - https://gwhoops.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=295.


Yesterday 12:44 pm#1
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KenPom Article on Transfers
Excellent article by Ken Pomeroy in The Athletic ($) about the drivers of college basketball transfers. Not going to cut/paste, but some of the interesting points:

* 41% of freshmen stayed the full four years with their original school in the period he studied, 46% if they played in their home state
* That rate dropped to 29% if there was a coaching change
* 76% of Ivy/Patriot League seniors started with the same team versus 40% of Power 6 seniors
* This one is really interesting: Retention rate for freshmen goes up from the high 20%s to almost 60% as their minutes played goes up, but after around 700 minutes in their first season, retention rate dives to around 40% (just noting that Jamison are Jameer are at 555 and 441 minutes, respectively)
 
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