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Transfer Portal Causing College Basketball Coaches Headaches

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  1. jessej

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    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/transf...tball-coaches-headaches-072619189--ncaab.html

    Transfer portal causing college basketball coaches headaches
    DAVE SKRETTA (AP Basketball Writer)
    The Associated PressApril 14, 2020, 3:26 AM EDT|

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    Transfer portal causing college basketball coaches headaches
    FILE - In this Jan. 12, 2020, file photo, Wichita State head coach Gregg Marshall reacts in the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against Connecticut, in Hartford, Conn. Marshall learned how to build a basketball team while on the staff of Hall of Fame coach John Kresse at College of Charleston. Many of those lessons have helped Marshall become Wichita State's winningest coach. But many have lost their value, and the reason is simple: The NCAA transfer portal has forced coaches to build teams rather than programs. (AP Photo/Jessica Hill, File)
    WICHITA, Kan. (AP) -- Gregg Marshall began his career as an assistant at tiny Randolph-Macon and Belmont Abbey, but it was during eight years on the staff of Hall of Fame coach John Kresse at College of Charleston that he learned to build a basketball program.

    Marshall learned how to recruit players who fit his style. He learned how to find overlooked gems, guys who were still growing or had yet to discover their shot. He learned how to sit in their living rooms and convince moms and dads that their sons would get a good education and in four years be prepared for the real world.

    Many of those lessons have helped Marshall become Wichita State's winningest coach. But many have lost their value, and the reason is simple: The NCAA transfer portal has forced coaches to build teams rather than programs.

    The system was implemented two years ago, intended to help ease the burden on administrators, increase transparency and empower athletes who complained about being prevented at times from going elsewhere. But in the eyes of many coaches, the portal has made transferring too easy, giving players an easy out for any reason: amount of playing time, location, level of competition, even something as silly as school colors.

    ''It's created a system in which, when problems arise, (players) are not going to fight through the problems and adversity,'' Marshall said. ''You're going to make a move. It's going to be easy to do. That's the problem I see with it.''

    The Shockers went 23-8 and spent much of last season hanging around the Top 25, and they were likely to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament had it not been canceled. Fast forward a few weeks and Marshall is wondering how he might need to replace seven players who placed their names in the transfer portal.

    They run the gamut from high-scoring guard Erik Stevenson, who has committed to Washington, and talented freshman Grant Sherfield, who is headed to Nevada, to role players that hardly saw the floor. But together, they left Marshall with a roster full of holes that he must plug even while the coronavirus pandemic has put the brakes on recruiting.

    So much for those lessons he picked up from Kresse back in Charleston.

    More than 500 names have been entered into the portal in the month since the season ended, and new names are added by the day. Some come from big-name programs in search of a fresh start, others from small schools with something to prove. Many are graduate transfers who can play immediately, though most will have to sit out a year under NCAA transfer rules.

    ''You have to respect each young guy's decision because that's the culture we live in today,'' Missouri coach Cuonzo Martin said. ''You have guys leaving teams. That's just the way it is. But when you're talking about freshmen, they have to have the opportunity to play from Day 1 or you'll be looking at a lot of this.''

    No brand of school is unaffected, either.

    Johnny Juzang and Kahlil Whitney jumped into the portal after their freshman seasons at Kentucky, and Alex O'Connell made the move after his junior year at Duke, creating holes for the bluest of blue bloods. Some Power Five programs such as Iowa State, with five players in the transfer portal, have begun to resemble a bus stop with players coming and going.

    Then there are the mid-majors such as George Washington, which likewise watched five players enter the portal - four have already found new homes. In a bit of symmetry, the Colonials have filled three of those scholarships with transfers of their own from Southern Miss, LSU and Vanderbilt.

    Low-majors are often the hardest hit because one or two star players can make a program, and their departure can be crippling. Terrell Brown averaged 20.7 points per game for Seattle but will be playing for Arizona next season. Jordan Bruner entered the portal after leading Yale to the Ivy League title. Dimencio Vaughn parlayed an All-MAAC season at Rider into a final season with Ole Miss.

    ''There's a lot of juggling that has to take place because of the transfer portal,'' said Kansas coach Bill Self, who lost elite guard Isaac McBride to Vanderbilt but enjoyed the benefit of getting sharp-shooter Isaiah Moss from Iowa this past season. ''I think that recruiting is more of an inexact science right now than it ever has been.''

    Not every coach believes the transfer portal has become a problem.

    Some of them point to the hypocrisy of coaches being able to freely change schools while players have long been locked into scholarships, and the fact that the transfer portal has created a level playing field where everybody can have a shot at a player interested in new surroundings. Those adept at landing high-profile transfers often have benefited, too.

    Marshall himself took advantage of the transfer portal to land Connecticut transfer Alterique Gilbert and could be in the market for another player or two.

    ''The biggest thing for coaches as this transfer portal takes on a life of its own, you're not building a program anymore. I don't know anybody who can do that,'' Marshall said. ''It's hard for us to do that because you're building a team every year.''
  2. Quentin Daniels

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    Greg Marshall makes $3.5 million a year. Boo frickin' Hoo. You think if he decides that he can't be succesful at Wichita w/the new transfer rule he's not going to bail on them and transfer to a Power 5 himself?

    I think it'll impact mid-majors especially hard but I still generally like it. Under most circumstances a kid only has 4 years to play college ball his entire life.

    This line here:
    But in the eyes of many coaches, the portal has made transferring too easy, giving players an easy out for any reason: amount of playing time, location, level of competition, even something as silly as school colors.

    The school colors is bullsh!t. Perhaps someone actually has transferred for that reason but let's not pretend that players are uprooting their relationships in college and leaving friends behind, traveling to new states and cities, sitting a year in most cases because they don't like the school colors.

    As for playing time and level of competition, that's fair, in both directions. If you're not good enough, go where you can see the court, or where there's not a logjam at your position, or where the style of play fits.

    How many of us changed majors in college, or even colleges? Can you imagine how bonkers the average student would go if you told them they had to sit a year first?

    It's not basketball but here's the 3 of the 4 Heisman finalists last year:
    Joe Burrow (transfer)
    Justin Fields (transfer)
    Jalen Hurts (transfer)
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    Players were never locked into scholarships, though. This is why they are year by year. A player could always transfer if they wanted. It isn’t like the pros where they get locked into a three or five year initial contract and don’t become free agents for five years.

    I think it is just the culture of athletics now. Players even do this in high school. Lots of kids going to two or three different high schools now.
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    Good points, its also the culture in other things too. Take jobs for example. Do people stay at the same jobs for 20 years these days? Most likely not. Tech especially its a thing to move around every 2-3 years. I'm 12 years into my career and Ive been at 4 companies.
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    Hypothetically if kids don’t have to sit out for the first time they transfer, could a kid blow up the first half of the season, transfer during winter break and suit up for the second half with a better program?

    Let’s say Tre Mitchell(a-10 ROY) has a great first half this past season, Umass sucks, could he decide to leave in December and play for a better school or tournament bound team in January?
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    to my understanding it will be on a yearly basis not semesterly for sitout.
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  7. DJ3

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    I have no problem with athletes looking out for their best interest. If coaches could pull a scholarship, players should be able to pull their commitment.

    Its a two way street.
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    I normally side with the athletes but the transfer portal is bad for a lot, especially mid majors. Justin Kier's situation is different because DP knew every years since Kier came to Mason that he would not be on the roster after the 19-20 season. Sh** happened and he was granted another year but DP should have planned for him to not be on the roster. Some teams have their roster gutted because a bigger school can come in and throw the kitchen sink at these kids and they have no time to find someone with similar talent to replace them. Football is a little different because you have like 1000 guys at every position on a roster and the kids hit the portal and commit to another school during late winter so there is a little time to try and recruit more. But in Basketball most of the recruits have already committed by April and your roster should have been set. Imagine if Kier/Mason announced that Kier and Boyd would red shirt before the season. DP would have assumed they were coming back so that is two less kids he would have recruited. Then Kier, Mar, JDS and Boyd (in this case) say they are going to hit the portal in April. That's 3 guys who contribute significant minutes and 4 total scholarships we have to fill, with nothing left unless we try to find a transfer...
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    Grayer averaged 7.5 and 4.5 at TCU. Would have been interesting to see what he could have done had he stayed one more year here (especially if he was finally playing shooting guard for the first time).
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    also interesting why he picked 12 points and not a nice round # like 10. Probably more than 2 players averaged more than 10 points. its a better story to say only two players out of 50 averaged 12 points than saying 20 players out of 50 averaged more than 10 points. Its all about the clicks
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    I'm not following the logic.

    Wouldn't the bigger school "throwing the kitchen sink" at the also have had time to plan? Why don't they have a set roster by April?

    (hint, because they're also losing kids to transfers - the portal flows both up and down)
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    That’s true, but most of the “flowing down” comes from guys who weren’t good enough at their former school. I don’t think I’d be too inspired if Mason lost its top 2 players every year and had to sign P6 castoffs to backfill the roster.
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    If you look at overall averages in the article:

    Average stats for all 50 players at their old school: 11.9 ppg
    Average stats for all 50 players at their new school: 6.3 ppg

    So, I'm going to guess that fewer than 20 were averaging 10ppg.

    Interesting quotes from W&M's Justin Pierce: "“Things just move so fast,” Pierce said. “It’s hard trying to grasp everything, especially at a place like North Carolina where they don’t just roll the ball out.” "I can’t imagine being a grad transfer this year with a shortened — or no summer,” Pierce said. “It’s going to be a mess.”
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    A lot of P5's lose players to the NBA early, too, and are backfilling their rosters with experienced role players to backup their next 5 star studs.
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    Yes, some of the bigger schools are losing players to the portal but they aren’t losing their best players or even starters. Instead they are losing guys who were recruited over or were unhappy from the get go. They are not losing guys that are expected to be starters the next season.
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    I don’t disagree with you’re points. But I still have more empathy for the athlete, even if that means it’s bad for the school.

    I also bet some mid majors benefit from the transfer portal. Getting P5 Bench players.
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    Yeah, no $hit.

    And???

    Either you believe a kid should have the right to make a decision to improve his situation or not. I for one don’t think they should be punished for wanting to do so.
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    Never said they didn’t have the right just that it is bad for the game, especially mid majors.

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