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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GreenLantern, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. phoenix-arizona

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    The ultras of the losing parties always seem to hate the College when their person is defeated.
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    You've probably seen the stat too on California's impact on Hillary winning the popular vote too. She took 62% in CA for a margin of 4.3 million in that state and 2.8 million nationally. W/out California, Trump wins the other 49 by by 1.4 million.
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    https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/elections/electoral-college/

    The Electoral College should be eliminated (16)
    Bennett

    Buttigieg
    Klobuchar
    Sanders
    Warren
    Booker
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Harris
    Messam
    Moulton
    O'Rourke
    Swalwell

    The Electoral College should not be eliminated (4)
    Gabbard
    Yang
    Delaney
    Hickenlooper

    I believe Bloomberg & Biden are both on the "No" side too.
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  4. KAOriginal

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    I have tried to frame this for friends who didn't like the last outcome and wants the change. They think its archaic and it really not.

    ( I know I'm preaching to the educated choir...Im just in a mood...)

    To be President....there are actually 50 presidential races...not 1. EACH state decides who should be President in a straight popular vote. Because we have agreed state interests are important as distinct populations.

    But its the "collective" of a certain # of states that determine who is President. Otherwise as we know....pick the top 10 and you can win. Please those groups and screw the rest and you are President.

    We have a brilliant system of balance with the electoral college.

    It's great CA loved Mrs. Clinton and that reflected in their electoral college votes by being such a huge number. But we shouldn't let a few large populations like CA dictate everything. Otherwise it would be okay to be homeless and defecate in the streets apparently.

    It's almost as if people took the talking point and never really thought about how the system works. There's actually been a few who said "I didn't think of it like that." Sadly its just bad education....
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  5. JimP

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    The Republican Party has never lost an election due to the Electoral College - even Rutherford B. Hayes and Benjamin Harrison were Republicans. (had to look that up)

    If Republicans lost 2 presidential elections out of the last 5 due to it, there is no way they'd be praising the genius of the system. That won't happen though, due to the make up of the country the EC is much more likely to give the presidency to a Republican who received less votes.
  6. Quentin Daniels

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    Per PredictIt, a betting site you can gamble on election outcomes, Sanders is favored in all 48 remaining primary states w/the exception of Arkansas.


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    "Serfs.". Partisan hyperbole. They might not like policies coming out of an administration that actually got more votes than their opponent, but hey - welcome to life in a democracy. Plenty of farmers aren't pleased that Trump's tariffs have made it more difficult to make a living. Maybe they think they've been turned into serfs due to the EC.
  8. JimP

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    Wonderful. I thought demographics worked against him in places like South Carolina and Nevada.
  9. CHRISTOPHER JAMES JOLLAY

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    HEY EVERYBODY, POLITICS DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE, WERE GOOD AGAIN!!!
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  10. Quentin Daniels

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    And for one night at least, all was well in Mason Nation and we celebrated being Patriots together.
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    Virginia House passes bill to give electoral votes to popular vote winner
    Virginia's House of Delegates passed a bill on Tuesday that would award the state's electoral votes to the national winner of the presidential popular vote.

    The measure, HB 177, would look to incorporate Virginia into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement established by each participating state's laws to put its electoral votes toward the winner of the national popular vote, instead of the state's own popular vote.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/politics/va-house-electoral-college-popular-vote/index.html
  12. GreenLantern

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    Crap. Goes into effect once the number of states with electoral votes reaches 270 approve this pact. They are at 209 now.
  13. KAOriginal

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    Jesus Christ...talk about nullifying a persons vote.

    A state could go 70/30 to one candidate...but sorry folks....the loser in this state gets everything.
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    It would also drastically minimize the influence of Virgina on national elections, switching it from a highly focused-on purple swing state to one whose electoral votes are based less on the will of Virginia voters but rather those in more populous states/cities.

    The VA House wants to make its citizens serfs to the will of California and New York. Hell, not even that, but to the will of Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia etc. Rural residents, the people who actually produce most of the food and energy consumed by city-dwellers will effectively be shut out of the process along with other minority voices.

    Mason, Jefferson, Adams, Washington and the other Virginia Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves.
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    It would be the Democrats wet dream to put all the power in the hands of California and New York. It would also be completely wrong to do so this way.
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    Even for Trump, and that's quite the statement, this meddling in the Justice System on behalf of that crook Roger Stone is shocking.

    It's an overreach of the separation of powers on the scale of FDR threatening to appoint more SCJs if they didn't reverse their rulings on his welfare expansions.
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    38 states received no attention by Trump or Clinton in 2016. Virginia? 36 visits by the candidates. Anything that provides incentives for candidates to pay attention to more of the country is a good thing. Stressing the popular vote also provides incentive for people to vote. Why vote in NY or South Carolina when you already know which candidate is going to receive all your EC votes?
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    A tweet...really? Good lord.
  19. Quentin Daniels

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    You think it was just a tweet?
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    MSM fighting hard against Bernie getting the nod.

    Picture in The Hill newspaper r: SC Democratic Debate rules.

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