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Fire Dave Paulsen / Hire Tony Skinn

Discussion in 'George Mason Basketball' started by tblack33, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. Pablo

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    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...ing-head-coaching-vacancies-college-athletics:

    "Typically, an athletic director or a search committee, after employing Parker Executive Search, flies to its Atlanta office. Executive vice president and managing director Laurie Wilder and Parker, whose father, Dan, started the search firm, first try to understand what the university is looking for: what worked well with the previous coach and what didn't; if a predecessor was fired, why.

    Usually a school's search committee has a wish list of candidates, and it reviews those names first.

    'Very often, they'll stop right here,' said Wilder, as Plunkett accesses the financial information page of one coach. 'They'll realize a candidate is already making too much money or the buyout clause is bigger than they're interested in. People love to say it's not about the money. It's very often about the money.'

    Wilder and Parker may offer suggestions, names they think fit the school's profile and criteria, but perhaps aren't on the search committee's radar.

    Eventually, the school whittles down what Wilder refers to as A and AA lists. The A candidates are the ones a school really wants but isn't sure it can get; the AA candidates are ones it is interested in.

    And this is about the point where coaches raise their first suspicions. How do they get on those lists? How do they convince Parker to recommend them?

    'I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do,' said Arkansas assistant Matt Zimmerman, a self-described "grinder" and lifelong assistant coach. 'Do I get an agent to go to bat for me? I never thought I needed the services of an agent, but maybe I do. I think you bust your tail, work hard and hope that makes you more attractive, but I guess that's old-school.'

    Wilder and Parker insist there is no secret and that the notion they have a stable of coaches that they promote is categorically untrue. The A and AA lists, they stress, are developed by the school's athletic director or search committee, not by Parker Executive Search.

    The phrase Wilder likes to use is that the firm's role is to 'aggressively recruit, advise and facilitate. We do not vote.'

    Moreover, she insists that if pressed for a personal opinion, the firm will decline.
    'You don't have to know us to be in our searches. That's complete baloney,' Parker said. 'We do original research based on the expectation of what the athletic director is looking for. We have searches all the time where we didn't know much about a coach until we started the process and got to know him.'

    Still, accurate or not, the perception exists among the coaching fraternity that if you don't know Parker and other top search firms, or vice versa, you won't get a job because of the wide breadth of their influence.

    Some go to great lengths to stay in their good graces.

    'When I was at Murray State, I did an interview for a job I didn't want because a high-powered search firm wanted me to,' Cronin said. 'The school wanted to interview me and I wasn't interested in the job, but I wanted to endear myself to the search firm. I thought it was better than pissing them off.'


    Others take far less complicated routes, but with the same goal: to stay in good favor.

    Wilder said that, prior to Peach Jam, more than a few coaches stopped by the firm's Atlanta office to say hello en route to North Augusta, and its Final Four party has become a must-attend event for coaches trying to get noticed.

    'It's one of the funniest things in the world. Everybody is practically in line to meet them and kiss the rings,' the agent said. 'You've got the ADs they've hired or the associate ADs that want their help. There are maybe a handful of head coaches and a bunch of assistants trying to get face time. Then you've got six of me who are making sure their guys get seen but also protecting them to make sure other agents aren't trying to talk to them. It's unreal.'

    Once Parker Executive Search reaches out to a university's A and AA lists of candidates, it sets up interviews.

    After its database information, the firm's ability to provide confidentiality and plausible deniability may be its biggest attraction."

    "Parker Executive Search typically flies candidates to Atlanta, a hotbed for recruiting and a common flight layover city, thus giving candidates an easy alibi.

    Or it conducts interviews at private clubs across the country where it holds memberships, away from prying eyes.

    It all helps keep the secret of who is being interviewed, lest a candidate decline an offer and make a university look bad. It also allows for a cover -- since Parker contacts the coach and sets up the interview, both coach and university can say, truthfully, that they have not spoken to one another."

    "Specifically, people think that there is some sort of reciprocity going on -- that if a university president is hired by one search firm, the president returns to the search firm to hire an athletic director, and the athletic director then taps the firm to find a coach.

    There's no denying that there is repeat business. A quick glance at Parker Executive Search's website shows several schools who have returned to the Parker well. Sixteen schools listed have used the firm for multiple searches within the athletic department."
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  2. Pablo

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    I expect that AD Edwards will continue to rely on Parker Executive Search - https://www.parkersearch.com/news/brad-edwards-named-george-mason-athletic-director:.
  3. Mason32

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    This discussion is pointless until about a year from now. If you think a school like Mason will fire a head coach during a pandemic you're crazy.
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  4. GSII

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    Edwards raised some cash at Jacksonville. Wonder why he can't do it here. As a Redskin, superbowl champ. Are companies and people that cheap in NOVA? One would think in his first year or two he would of hit some homeruns.
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  5. GMUgemini

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    They'd be stupid not to. One, a lot of schools will have this mentality and thus the pool of coaches available will be greater. Two, if they go into the season with having 26 conference losses over the last two seasons, guarantee you they're going to be missing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in ticket revenue and donations drying up (example on donations: 2017: $1.3 million; 2019: 867,000 -- net loss of $433,000 dollars year over year; if you want to add in 2018, that's $964,000 -- so a drop of $336,000 and then another drop of $97,000 -- anyone want to guess what the 2020 number is going to be? I bet it won't be good).
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  6. GMUgemini

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    He did...we just have such a shallow donor base you don't notice.
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  7. gmujim92

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    So what you’re saying is the results are trending in the wrong direction on the court and in the Patriot Club’s coffers. Those are two pretty massive strikes against the coach of our lone revenue-generating program.
  8. Mason32

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    If they cared about ticket revenue I would doubt they would have hired a coach like Paulsen in the first place...
  9. gmubrian

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    I disagree with that. I believe they thought he would be successful. I believed it at one point as well. If he had been successful, ticket revenue would have followed.
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    I think Brian is right. I believed Paulsen would be successful - and fairly quickly- so I didn't care about the lack of excitement. Winning would have been exciting enough. Now, I want the exciting hire that will temporarily put butts in the seats, and then hopefully keep them there with wins or at least fun basketball.

    Some of you want something that I just don't believe has any chance of happening - an experienced coach, who will recruit well, coach well, run a clean program, we can afford him, AND he wants to coach here. I don't think that guy exists.

    But a young assistant like Tony who can excite the fan base, recruit well, run a clean program, draw less salary, and WOULD consider Mason is much more realistic. Risky? Of course. But so is any other hire and at least this one would excite people.
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  11. KAOriginal

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    We're going to have to take a risk and hope we aren't another 5 years of irrelevance.

    We don't have heritage. We don't have a true coaching tree. We don't have many many things that make us attractive.
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  12. tblack33

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    Gauging interest in these:

    https://www.customink.com/designs/g...dium=shared design&utm_content=shared desktop

    I will NOT keep any of the proceeds from this. At the end of the season, I will donate all the money collected to the program under the name of the Tony Skinn for Head Coach.

    Current price is about 10$ per mask if I get 20 of them, price obviously scales down from there depending on quantity.

    Open to suggestions for alternative text, but to stay far away from copywrite infringement I'm not going to include anything about George Mason or any Mason logos. Post here or hit me up on Twitter if you are interested. I'll probably be able to pick them up locally and would prefer to distribute them locally if possible. Obviously will ship them to those of you who aren't in the NOVA area if you want one.
  13. mason lawyer

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    Anyone know if we are at rock bottom yet??
  14. Bricker

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    I'm replying to a mason lawyer post, so maybe
  15. tblack33

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    20 pt loss after being up 11 in the first half. All on coaching. The seats starting to bubble like the diet dew Dave butt chugs at half.
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    20-point loss on National TV. Shame on Brad Edwards for even letting Dave Paulsen get on the team plane to return back to Fairfax.

    Duane Simpkins deserves the chance to be the Interim Coach.

    To me it's really a no brainer, cut bait with Paulsen. The school is already missing out on Patriot Club/Season Tickets this year...Imagine how bad it would be next year if they kept Paulsen?
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    I feel like it’s clear that there is no chance Paulsen is retained. The team is terrible, we can’t go into next season with him in his final year, and there is absolutely no way of selling the fanbase on an extension.

    I’m just looking forward to a restart and hope again.
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    Pandemic Paulsen gotta go!!
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