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Discussion in 'Basketball' started by GMURaider, Mar 30, 2015.

  1. Vurbel

    Vurbel Hall of Famer

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    Let's look at it through this lens. What percentage of revenue the NCAA brings in (TV, sponsorships, etc.) should go to the student athletes? 51% like the NBA (or NFL, I forget). 80%? 20%? Then see how much the NCAA brings in, divided by the number of scholarship athletes, and bam, you have a number. It doesn't have to be hard.
  2. Vurbel

    Vurbel Hall of Famer

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  3. psyclone

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    What percentage does the school receive? One might argue that the $$ received the school receives (assuming that it is directed largely toward classrooms/facilities, faculty recruitment and retention,student services) provides support for ALL the students, including student athletes. Having the money go to the university athletic department results in outrageous salaries for assistant coaches and other scandalous expenditures like lazy rivers next to the athletic dorms (I think I saw that the strength coach at Alabama makes more than the University president).

    The article in the twitter link points out that 98% of student athletes go on to non-professional sports occupations. Spreading the money around to benefit all students seems reasonably equitable.
  4. FreeGunston12

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    If there is one thing I'm sure of, it's that I don't understand all of the arguments for and against paying student athletes.

    With that being said, and for the sake of simplification for simple-minded people like me, if we take that $81 million and divide it all between all NCAA athletes (450,000 - 500,000ish) then they all don't even get $200. So we've been spending all this time and energy arguing over $200?

    Now I know that that the money would never be divided evenly for all levels, sports, or individual athletes, but what do you then do about the athletes that are costing more money than they are generating? Goodbye lesser sports. Goodbye title 9. Right?

    Someone educate me.
  5. Vurbel

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    Another debate is revenue vs. non-revenue sports. Does the Alabama quarterback get as much as the back up second baseman on the softball team at Elon?
  6. Vurbel

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    If we divided it just by men's basketball, the NCAA brings in $900million/year for March Madness. Assume the NCAA keeps half. $450million divided by 4,511 D1 college basketball players comes to $99,756/player.

    Out of state it is $48,194/year to attend Mason (room & board, books, etc.). Means at the end of the day each player earns $51,562. But again, does the starting point guard at Kentucky get as much as the backup power forward at Hofstra?

    https://thepowerrank.com/2013/03/29/nature-vs-nurture-the-odds-of-playing-college-basketball/
  7. Vurbel

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    Football is different because there are so many players. You have about 12,650 players. I was unable to find the football revenue. I was able to find it by school, but not altogether. Maybe somebody else wants to tackle that.
  8. jmckend1

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    If you start paying athletes, it should first, dollar-for-dollar, reduce their athletic scholarship and other costs associated with the "perks" of being an athlete, such as private tutors. At the point you are getting paid you are now under contract for a service and should recieve only that pay as consideration. Otherwise you're double dipping and if I was one paying to attend, especially with student loans and I saw that shit happening, I'd have a lawsuit ready.
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  9. gmujim92

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    Between tuition, housing, food, trainers, tutoring and almost unlimited amounts of gear (including several pairs of shoes every season that retail for more than $100 apiece), our basketball players are doing pretty well for themselves.

    Honestly, at other than the top 10-15 richest schools, I'm not sure if student-athletes would come out significantly ahead if you paid them a salary (commensurate with revenue) but deducted for all the expenses related to their education.
  10. Vurbel

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    Only on the gear side of things:

    It's not "unlimited" gear, but a lot. They get a few pairs of shoes, and I'm not surprised they don't get more. I've had the same shoes for a few years, but I only play a few hours/week. They play a few hours/day and play 500000 times harder than I do.

    Nike/adidas/UA pays a lot of money for college athletes to be billboards for them. But a $50 pair of tennis shoes (we buy in bulk, it's not like we go to Foot Locker) isn't much in the grand scheme of things.
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  11. gmujim92

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    I don't begrudge the players anything. Just pointing out that there is a value to everything they receive above and beyond a free college education that's worth $200,000 in many cases.
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  12. Mason2005

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    They also get all the chicks!

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  13. Vurbel

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    I wouldn't mind $200,000 in free gear!
  14. GSII

    GSII All-American

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    Let alumni pay their fav athlete.
  15. Vurbel

    Vurbel Hall of Famer

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    Like Kentucky?
  16. GSII

    GSII All-American

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    Like all the big boys.
  17. Petey Buckets

    Petey Buckets Sixth Man

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    I think the pay the players/don't pay the players conversation generally misses the point. If you lift the *restriction* on paying players and allow them to get paid, or allow them to receive whatever sort of impermissible benefits usually get programs in trouble, the problem will solve itself. Schools that can afford to pay will pay. Other schools will pay what they can, and the schools that can't pay get the players left over. No reason to stop boosters from giving as many hundred dollar handshakes as they want to.

    The thing about doing it this way is that it doesn't really change the balance of power. The best recruits still go to the programs that can spend the most (Kentucky, Duke, UNC, etc). Schools can choose to spend their way into relevance like Oregon or Gonzaga. Schools already spend money to get recruits, just not in a way that allows the recruits to actually see it.
  18. Vurbel

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    If we do that we might as well have 4 national champions.

    Group A: UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Indiana, UCLA, Michigan, Michigan St., Ohio St., Syracuse, Kansas, Indiana, Oregon, Louisville

    Group B: Georgetown, Maryland, Wake Forest, NC State, Boston College, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Missouri, USC, UNLV, Georgia Tech, Baylor, Clemson, Fla. St, Miami, Notre Dame

    Group C: Us, Dayton, VCU, GW, UMass, Texas Tech, Vanderbilt, Boston College

    Grop D: Elon, UNCG, Stephen F. Austin, Vermont, Hampton, UMBC.
  19. MasonSAE4

    MasonSAE4 Starter

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    Think you might be being a bit kind to Boston College
  20. Vurbel

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    True. My mistake.


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