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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Pikapppatri8, May 8, 2017.

  1. Walter

    Walter All-American

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  2. Vurbel

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    I don't know what it is, but my car keeps vearing left. :)
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    You might want to get that looked at. It sounds like you have a socialist stuck in your wheel well.
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    Gentleman - let's not sully a semi-holy topic like cars with politics. There is a time and place for that.

    Let's stick to engineering, design, and performance. ;)
  5. Walter

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    Am I the only one that thinks a small truck would sell well? The current mid-size trucks (Tacoma, Colorado, Frontier, coming Ranger) really don't offer significantly better gas mileage over the full size trucks. I thought Hyundai was going to introduce one (Santa Cruz) but decided to go all in on more small utes and directed all of its resources to building more tall hatchbacks.
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  6. Vurbel

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    I drive a Hot Wheel!
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  7. GMUgemini

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    Like that old Subraru Baja? I used to own a Tacoma. It was a great truck.

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    I currently own a Tundra. Horrible gas mileage and, honestly, I don't need a large truck.

    The Subie would work if it had more ground clearance, set higher, not a four door, and wasn't a Subaru.

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    http://mytruckreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016-Hyundai-Santa-Cruz.jpg
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    O I’ve been looking at Tesla’s recently because I am intrigued by the mechanical simplicity and superiority of an electric more vehicle and the advances in battery technology (particularly their acquisition of Maxwell Technologies). Tesla has the ownership of key IP that gives them advantages over other EV efforts.

    The CEO of BMW stepped down because he said Tesla beat them in EV and has driven down BMW sales.

    Anyone have experience of thoughts on Tesla vehicles?


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    I am not fully onboard with electric yet. Now, I have been a gear head/grease monkey my entire life, so it is a hard sell. They have made great strides, definitely, and there are even some compelling options.

    It is an unfair comparison at this point, the electrics are so heavily subsidized, meaning, you an I are paying for everyone else’s luxury electric vehicles, that the price/performance aspect still isn’t there.

    Hell, all of Tesla’s profit a year ago game from government subsidies. Like $300M and they received $700M in subsidies. We all were robbed of our hard in cash so it could be given to Musk.

    Until they stop the subsidies, I’m not really interested.
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    Not going to argue with subsidies - I agree. However, I look at it from a technical perspective and performance. The subsidies are going away and Tesla is getting its footing on the manufacturing and supply chain side. fact is - German auto industry has publicly admitted that tesla threatens them and tesla has demonstrated they have the IP stack that sets them ahead of other EV manufacturers.

    The Maxwell acquisition is key as it addresses the weakest part of the EV platform - batteries.

    Maxwell has the technology and domestic manufacturing base producing batteries that have twice the energy density of tesla's own batteries (which are industry leading) and Maxwell's super capacitor technoloy can be integrated with the new batteries.
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    My neighbor bought a Model X. One drive in it and I was hooked. The clean design, simplicity, and performance is like comparing a MacBook Pro with a Commodore 64.

    The self-driving technology is such a game-changer too. It's going to have massive implications not just on the economy as it puts hundreds of thousands of bread winners out of their jobs but politically as well.
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    See my earlier post. I agree with you to some extent, but they have to get the prices down to make it a reality. Add about $10-12k to get the real price without the direct and indirect subsidies.

    The range issue is still a little daunting. Battery technology seems to be somewhat stalled at the moment, so if they add more battery they will impact performance. Charging stations address this a little bit, but it still takes too long to use for anything but a well planned journey. No jumping in your car and just going for a trip. On a side note, they should team with restaurants for charging stations. Charge your car a significant portion of the way while you eat for 30-60mins.

    Address those two deficiencies and it becomes a no brainer. Even a die hard petrol head like me would have to give in. But, I’ll need a killer sound system to blast a fake exhaust sound that I love to hear.
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    I did and while I don't necessarily disagree with you on a macro level, in terms of a personal decision it's a really, really cool car and I'd love to have one.

    I'm not a gearhead either and I tend to drive cars until the wheels fall off or until the repair costs add up to more then a new car payment. That aside, if I was going to buy something new and cost wasn't an issue (w/out getting silly crazy), I'd take a Model S in a heartbeat.

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